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Well I am trying to decide what I want to add to my collection between now and next year, basically when it is available.
I have a couple of ideas, but no final decisions, and want some input from you all.

Here is the list:
A female SNOW to breed with my Leopard.
A female BLOOD to breed to my Leopard.
A pair of het SQUARE TAILS.
A female Hypo Arabesque.
A female Swedish JUNGLE.
A pair of het BLOOD.
A female SHARP ALBINO.
A female Kahl SUNGLOW.
A female High Contrast Albino.
A female KK Grade Salmon.

All have been in my mind recently, and I am not really sure which to get. The Snow, Blood, and Arabesque Hypo would add some interesting combinations to my collection.

Thank you all for your input, and if you have any of these and can post pictures that would be great!

I would get a dbl. het. sqare tail male and het female. Or the Blood to combine with your leopard. The jungle also is a no brainer, I think they are some of the most breath taking snakes in the world. I would steer clear of the last four, no paticular reason just think the ones I mentioned have much more potential, what were you leaning towards?

Greg, I honestly don't have a direct plan yet. They are all just things I like. The last four were just possibilities, but not strong choices.

I haven't seen much from the Squaretails, not really sure what I would be getting into. The Jungle is something I would like to add to a Blood, but the Blood is a stronger choice. I really want a Snow also, but I am not certain what I would do with it. I think the pink Hypo Arabesques are extremely beautiful, but I am not sure what I would do with that either. So I am here trying to figure out what I want to do.

If possible, I wanna get my hands on a blood or bloody salmon project... After seeing the "Floating Blood" on Rich Ihle's site, I was HOOKED!! Blood X Leopard sounds good to me..
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Joe Lydon

but with the prospect of spending that much money, I want to review the options.

Het Square Tails, Hypo Arabesques, and Snows have taken a recent interest with me?

I'm not too much into any of those.. I was in LOVE with the square tails until I found out that the homozygous versions can have broken pattern and not so square tails, same thing with the hypo arabesques, broken pattern... I'm not too much of a snow fan, I like color.
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Joe Lydon

Isn't the squaretail recessive? So you were in love with the hets., but don't like the homozygous? Am I the only one that finds this a little weird? Does this mean you were in love with normal looking boas? I can understand the arabesque but no so much the squaretail comment.

By the way I think the squaretail morph is so much better looking in regards to cleanliness and pattern then the arabesque. Also, I believe it will hold value a little longer because it is recessive. Instead of picking up a pair of het squaretails, why don't you pick up an actual squaretail and breed it to something else. Peter Kahl has some (just not advertised). An anery squaretail would be an awesome project.

Good luck with whatever you choose.

I was in love Gray Rushin's homozygous squaretails, but once I found out that the homozygous form CAN have a broken pattern and not so squaretail, I didn't like them as much.. Please reread my first statement, it will make more sense now...
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Joe Lydon

I remember seeing the baby Squaretails in Daytona that Pete Kahl had. I didn't think he was selling any. Do you know what he is asking?

Not sure if I should post the price he quoted me.... email him, I'm sure he will tell you what he has available. I can tell you that you can definitely afford one if you are considering some of the other morphs on your first post.

Good luck with your projects.

That's good to know, I do have a limit.

5k

Maybe 5k for you, but not the same price I was quoted or the maybe the same price Chris may get quoted. Like, I said, the best bet would be to contact Peter and work something out with him.

Just going by what I've been told. A friend of mine purchased one for 5k and another was quoted 5k for one in daytona.

I don't see any reason to be concerned with publicly sharing pricing.

But ok!

Well, someone that spends almost 20k may get just a little better price then someone that doesn't, then again someone that has good barganing skills may get better price too. To just go off hear say or just of a simple quote without taking time to negotiate will only get you paying market or above market price. No price is set in stone and most people are willing to work with you. Since I got quoted a price other then market value I do not feel comfortable sharing the exact amount. If Peter wanted to sell all his animals at that price he quoted me then I don't think you would have known the market value would be 5k but rather the price he quoted me. When someone gives you a good deal, you don't tell everyone the price, I rather tell people that he is a good person to deal with and that he is flexible.

I just don't want someone calling Peter and saying, this person got this price, why can't I? All I can say is that if you are humble and practice good business you can most likely get a better price on an animal then a person that doesn't. That is why I know Chris can get a "good" price.

I hope you understand where I am coming from.

If you picked up a male hypo arabesque you could use the neos he could potentially produce to trade for most of what you want. Looks wise I would go with a blood. I am dying to see some leopard combos.
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Randall L Turner Jr.
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If I do go with a Hypo Arab, it would be female. I wouldn't have much use for a male.

I really like the idea of a Blood Leopard, however, bloods seem to get sooo dark when they are older. A Hypo Arab would hold the color, that is where the Hypo Arab gets its edge.

The Jungle or Blood would be something of interest.

Jungle, basically because in the last year or so I have seen a few, not all are keepers but the ones that are show great promise and add those characteristics to any line and it can only improve it overall.

Blood, mostly because since the first one posted I believe last year have made me want one or two so badly. With Mr. Ihle' s Salmon mix those are just amazing boas, mix that blood to anything show great promise as well.

Just my 2 cents and specific choices.

I have the same feeling, Blood X WHATEVER = Amaizing.
Infact I would really like to see a Jungle Pewter (Blood Type II Anery).

Here is the list:
A female SNOW to breed with my Leopard-Excellent LONG term project
A female BLOOD to breed to my Leopard-Another good project, you'd probably see Bloody Leopards sooner than getting all three traits from above to line up on one animal.
A pair of het SQUARE TAILS-Squaretail? Arabesque? How much difference will there be between say a hypo squaretail or hypo arabesque??? Worth the cost???
A female Hypo Arabesque-Cool one litter per season potential, I'd go with a male and spread around the genes a little bit.
A female Swedish JUNGLE-Again, one litter per season, maybe she'll die gravid, maybe......I'd go with a male if you can only get ONE Jungle.
A pair of het BLOOD-Good project to get into IMO, bloody salmons are awesome, bloody leopards should be killer, and the list goes on.......
A female SHARP ALBINO-zzzzzzzzzzzzz
A female Kahl SUNGLOW-Sunglow Leopards??? Those will be awesome!
A female High Contrast Albino-????
A female KK Grade Salmon-Can you produce a "KK" grade salmon by breeding together two "regular" salmons? I believe you can, so why "invest" that much money into one female that is spectacular when you could buy 5 that look GOOD? Great for a high dollar display, a dent in your potential return right off the bat.

Well, there's my opinion from the list. I didn't put alot of thought into them, just copied them and typed what came to mind as I went down the list. Visually you'll be happy with any of them I'd imagine. Financially, there are some that I would scratch immediately. Good luck!

Paul

I guess I should add in the morph component of my collection. I have:
1.0 Type II Anery 66% het ALbino
0.1 Het Type II
0.1 Albino
1.0 Leopard
0.1 66% het Leopard
0.1 Gee Line Hypo
1.1 66% het Blood

The Blood female would first go with the Leopard, then to the male 66% het if the pair didn't prove out, and then to the Type II. The Snow would get the Leopard. The Hypo Arabesque, I am not sure, but I like them. Probably raise her up for a Blood. The Jungle would go with the Type II, I also want to breed Blood X Jungle, but have to start somewhere.

END RESULTS AFTER YEARS:
Blood Blizzards
Bloody Hypo Arabesques
Jungle Blood
Jungle Pewter
Blood Leopard
Snow (blizzard) Leopard
Hypo Leopard
That is the CA part, before T-positives and Motleys.

Then for Colmbians I want Hypo Arab X T-postive (this is really why I wan the female Hypo Arab, I can start raising her and when she is three get the T-pos, and breed them when she is four or five), I also want Squaretail T-positive.

Yeah, the list changes some things.....I say just get 1.1 of each and call it good-LOL! Take care

Paul

I wish, lets see, I could get a new car. That '06 Lexus IS is nice. One $3-4K animal will have to hold me for now.

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