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I was just scanning some of the posts further down the page and saw one on the above cross and someones post about pics, followed their link etc and saw the pics. Whilst looking at the page one thought occurred to me, doesn't the mother of the babies look like a brongersmai and not a borneo?

heres a link take a look for yourselves

http://www.intriguingreptiles.com/BloodPythonsAvailable/BorneoxBlackBloodPythons.html

It is a brongersmai. No doubt about it.
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Sam Craver
Cage Crafters and The Blood Bank

Hey,
She doesn't look like a Borneo to me either. At least not a pure one. There's a lot of Brongersmai in that gal.
-Angel
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In life you can fall many times, but you're only a failure, if you don't try to get back up!
Evil Canevil

     Hi. I see I managed to check in on this place at the right time. The snake in question is my snake and as far as I have seen it isn't a brongersmai, but it is a questionable snake.

Long story short...

     I purchased a group of Black Bloods a while ago from a well known source(Angel you might even remember who I got them from.). 1.1 were sold to me sight unseen along with the other 1.1 which I had seen on an ad. The snakes arrived and what I received was 2.1 nice/obvious black bloods and this female snake in question. When I asked about it the seller tried to tell me that it was an "odd" black blood and that it was the only one of it's clutch like it back in 99 so they kept it, but they were now getting out of bloods so it had to go. I did not believe that for even a second, but decided to test the waters anyhow to call his BS.

     So I go and put it up on the website and call it an "Odd Black Blood" and it only took about 48hrs before I had 6-7 emails telling that it wasn't and most said it appeared to be a different breitensteini. Now at first I wasn't sure about that either and also thought it could possibly be a not so pretty brongersmai. However when I did some searching I could not find many like her(seen one that was somewhat similar, but not exact), but I did find a quite a few breitensteini (via google search) that appear to be exactly like her. Feel free to send some useful info my way that will help differentiate between the 2, if you have any. Either way, one things for sure...it's NOT a pure black blood like it was sold to me as!!! :-/ Which is pretty sad, especially considering the source. I did at least learn another important lesson from that transaction...Never buy a reptile sight unseen(even if you trust the person.). Thanks for your interest/concern. Later.

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Justin Ferlich
www.IntriguingReptiles.com
sales@intriguingreptiles.com

No Offence Justin, but it really does look more like a brongersmai then a breitensteni. If you could take a close up of the head, especially around the eye area we could find out for sure. It could possibly be a cross also, like Angel said. But without seeing the subocular scalation and the top of the head we cant be sure.

brongersmai

breitensteni

curtus

These might help you determine on your own, but you have us all curious now!
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Sam Craver
Cage Crafters and The Blood Bank

Sam,

     Hi. Wow, Thanks for that reply! That's just what I needed to see. No offense taken. I am just as curious as the rest of you and appreicate all the help. I will try to get a quality close-up picture of around her eye and get it posted by Sunday evening for everyone to see even if I do figure it out by then. Guess Ill be back once I have a picture. Talk to you then. Later.

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Justin Ferlich
www.IntriguingReptiles.com
sales@intriguingreptiles.com

I'm sorry I didn't mean any offence with the initial post, she's a lovely big blood python just the colours really looked like a brongersmai to me, by the way the babies are really good looking.

Shaun/Sam/Angle and the rest of the KS forum,

     Hi. Ok people I couldn't wait any longer to get the good camera(it's up at my girls place) so I attempted to get a picture with my nextel camera phone. Please excuse the poor quality, but that's the best it can do that close. I'll work on getting better pics tomorrow or so, but this should do for the time being. Look closely and you will see that it appears to look just like the short-tail pictures same posted a few responses up, not like the red blood. Let me know what you people think. Thanks and I look forward to hearing back from you. Later.

BTW, I am not sure how this file upload system works on here so I just inserted the image link in the image url line...hope it works.

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Justin Ferlich
www.IntriguingReptiles.com
sales@intriguingreptiles.com

Hey Justine,
It is conceivable that this girl is in fact a Brongersmai x Curtus girl and not in fact a Borneo as she was sold to you. The making of her head color (resembling the head color of a Brongersmai) and dorsal pattern and color, not to mention the color along her flanks or sides, also, appear to resemble more closely, that of the Brongersmai.
-Angel
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In life you can fall many times, but you're only a failure, if you don't try to get back up!
Evil Canevil

Angel,

     Funny! You're pretty slick, but you didn't slip that one by unnoticed. Sorry, I didn't do that to you on purpose. It was a spelling error.

     I suppose anything is possible. I just wish there was a way to know for sure. It was not sold to me as a Borneo, it was sold to me as a Black Blood(sight unseen.) which is even worse, LOL. Thanks for the reply. Later.
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Justin Ferlich
www.IntriguingReptiles.com
sales@intriguingreptiles.com

I have to agree with Angel on this one Justin, it looks like a brongersmai x curtus cross to me. The head scalation is resembles both curtus and brongersmai to me. It does look like it has a row of subocular scales, but they are hard to see in that pic.

If I had to guess, I would say red/black cross.

JMO
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Sam Craver
Cage Crafters and The Blood Bank

Sam,

     Hi. Thanks for your reply also. I can live with that if it is the case. I know the picture quality sucks, but she does have the scales under her eye(...and so do all their babies, FWIW). I am at least very glad to know that it's not a brownish pure Red Blood....Thanks for the scare, LOL. Now I guess I need to rebadge the female. Anyone else feel free to put your $.02 in also. Talk to you later.

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Justin Ferlich
www.IntriguingReptiles.com
sales@intriguingreptiles.com