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I was reading the government site concerning regulations and it seems that I can keep as many species as I like(not that I want to). I was under the impression that I could only keep 2 of each species. Does it apply to amels too, if it even applies at all? It seems a little confusing and unclear.

Any help would be appreciated as I don't want to break the law.

Thanks-

Brett

bag limits apply in CA, you just dont need a permit or fishing license to collect crotes but you can only have two of each.

Beware of K. Chang, and if you know of anyone who has been contacted by him I'd like to hear about it, good, bad or indifferent.

Cheers
Lat

I just want to be legal and by reading the regs it looks as if it doesn't apply to amels.....

Thanks-

Brett

I believe it does, they do not differentiate between morphs as far as I know. So 3 albino wdb's will be 1 albino too many. I think that applys to wc as well, if you ever found 3 wild albino wdbs in one day that is.
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B

as far as I know, amels do not apply. If you were to go out and find (say an albino rosy!) in the wild. You can legally take it (as long as it is legal to take where it was found) and it would not be considered one of your w/c snakes, so you could than still collect 2 from the wild and be in the clear. Again, I am not an expert but this has been explained to me by a few people. Also, who knows, the subject has been strictly about finding an albino rosy, so it may differ when regarding crotes, Jon

p.s. Brett, I know you know your stuff and if not, you have the resources to find out so I am curious to know. Also, to my knowledge, there isnt a bag limit on crotes as they are not listed with all the other species that are listed for a bag limit of 2. let me know bro.
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It does say bag limit and possesion limit 2 unless otherwise noted but it goes on to list the species and Crotes aren't on there. Then it goes on to say amels do not count toward propagation, exportation, importation, transportation. Then ins sections 41.5 and 42.5 it says there are no possesion limits and section 43 (7 (dealing with albino specimans) refers to those sections.

It looks like there are no possesion limits or at least limits for amels.....But I am still not sure. Just because it is missing Rattlesnakes from the possesion charts doesn't mean the possesion is limitless.......

Anyway...does anyone in CA have any CB Rubers or Mojaves they would like to give away?? Or adults? I don't want to collect them unless it's from a huge developement but I live in Northern Cal.

Thanks-

Brett

Hey Brett,
You know it seams the law depends on who you ask. I've gotten every answer in the book. You know that there are so many branches of laws-that even if you think you are following the "law" you might be breaking it on another level. You have Federal, State, County, City etc. The more people know what you have puts you in the "limelight". The more they know, the more laws they create. There was someone from BAARS that thought all was legal & someone called CPS for keeping a rattler in the house with a child & had to get rid of the snake. The sheriffs & animal control all know I keep rattlers, but I do not take them outside or advertise what I have to them. I believe I am legal, however I do not want to give them an excuse to find a "loop hole".
by the way I picked up a frozen frog today from EBV to scent the mouse-I'll let you know how that goes

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Good luck on the feeding thing!! I didn't count how many rats you gave me until feeding time. The rat colony is back to full production and then some. It was getting expensive there for awhile. Really hope those Hogs do better for you than they did me.

Take care-

Brett

Inquire of the CDFG directly in Sacramento, call the main # and ask for an aide or someone in LE who can help with a hunting regulation question. Although the agencies monitor these pages, they will not answer your question here and the answers of the general public (me included) are something I would take with a grain of salt.
Document the name of the person who addresses your question, their position and the date of the call. For captive purposes my current understanding is that the limit of 2 in possession applies to crotes as well. Now factor in the "morph" equation and I believe you will enter a grey zone. I have not as yet seen regulations for this aspect of herp keeping in CA.
I would be VERY CAREFUL, our game agencies have been hit pretty hard economically here in CA and trust me you dont want to get tangled up with them if they smell money on you.
Until it is crystal clear and you have reasonable assurance that you will not be violating any regs. I would sit tight and wait.

I would also be careful with any Mojaves, they are not a snake to trifle with and they have accounted for the deaths of more than one herpetologist in the past. They are neat snakes though as well as the rubers!

Cheers
B

I do not keep any venomous animals but may in the future so I would like to know what the laws are. It seems as everyone I have talked to sees this as a grey area, wish it would be a bit more clear. Thanks again

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Rosy boas
1.0 01' Hypo borrego
0.1 97' San Gabriel
1.0 04' San Gabriel
0.1 00' Whitewater
1.0 01' Whitewater
0.1 03' Yorba linda
1.0 04' Hypo Whitewater
0.1 04' Het hypo Whitewater
1.2 05' Cerbats
1.1 05' Wide stripe trivs
1.1 05' Hemets
1.1 05' Het limburgs
1.1 05' San Felipes

1.1 02' Oregon rubber boas

Strange look Crotalidae....

Nice animal

Al
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mp

I live in Southern California where it seems that ownership of any venomous reptile is illegal. However my neighbor has two rattlers that he claims to be legally kept. I also know of another person who owns a southern pacific that he claims to be legally kept. Both people have told me that you can collect and keep 2 of each native species of rattlesnake in California. However like the post below states! What might be legal with one agency might be illegal with another one.
If I were you, I would keep quiet about keeping venomous snakes and keep DFG out of my life.

Stay safe:
Jason Mc

P.S.
You sure you want to keep a Mojave Green? They seem to be very aggressive!

I made sure it was legal where I live, on the county level and city. So far so good and hopefully it will stay legal. Yes, I would like a Mojave, so if anyone knows anyone that has an extra, preferably CB let me know.

Thanks