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If you haven't figured this out yet i'll explain it to you. The ball python market will be regulated by the "BIG BOYS" and you know what? They are ticked off! Which they should be.

They've given us "little guys" a chance and we blew it. We blew by completely ruining several great projects. With back stabbing, back dooring, half price sells and just plain ole bad business. By us I mean the majority of "little guys" but there are some great "little guys" with big futures this is why.

Well the ball python market is based on the future which is hundreds of unproven and proven projects that the "BIG BOYS" control. When it comes time to market and sell this projects do you think they'll sell them to all the "little guys" with the horable business snice? NO. All of you who have done the market IN for quick gain will be left in the coat tails with no way in.

But they will sell to the "little guys" who are honest and hard working and know how to be in this business for the long haul. Yes they know who you are on both sides. SO go right ahead and keep disrespecting and bashing the "BIG BOYS" because your digging your own grave.

Thats where the BALL PYTHON market is headed.
billy
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billy jean king
BugBusters

Eventually any desirable morph that breeds well will get to the point that no group will be able to control it. Pastel for example. Nobody ruined that market, it's just gotten to the point that free market supply and demand determines the price rather than a small group of big breeders. And even if you had to sell pastels for $500 that is still a lot better than $25 normals (now that's a ruined market with the imports). It was inevitable that eventually too many people would be producing them for all producers to agree to stick to a higher price than the market could support. Sure mojave could have started out higher but it would have eventually gotten to the same point. Maybe even quicker as early high prices would have inspired more breeding before we knew about the leucistic connection. The best you can hope for is a free market as early as possible for a morph so that the inescapable price drop will be steady and spread out over years rather than a sudden price correction when the production eventually outgrows price fixing. At least with a steady drop everyone who produces well has the same chance to make the same rate of return regardless of when they get in. Those who invest more/earlier will gross more of course. The originator can still set the price initially to whatever they think they need to recoup investment or just at whatever it is worth to them to let competition in before they have the base colony they want. However, eventually there will be a market and eventually market pressures will set the price.

i still think the "BIG BOYS" can have total control of the market. Lets see if Ralph decides he's going to sell some 06' phantoms at 75k only to approved individuals, those individuals are not going to turn around a year later a sell them at 25k. Further more the select breeders who did by the phantoms know who not to sell to. So the price would remain much steadier for longer without the back door bandits.

in all reality its already started. just look at the Spotnose from VPI there are a lot of people that have the money in hand that VPI won't sell to. Ya i know theres a list well i know for sure Tracy is looking at list very closly before she sells.

Also with the Banana. Its 100k and oh ya you can't have one anyway. Don't believe that stuff about no males yet thats all apart of the game.

it's happening and a lot of the back stabbers and slowly gatting weeded out.
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billy jean king
BugBusters

My point was that EVENTUALY they will lose control in all cases. Sure they start out with total control and the pricing and selling choices the originator makes will have an effect for a long time. But over time the control will wane and if pinstripes or phantoms or spot noses or whatever keep breeding well and being sold eventually they will be available to anyone with $1000 or $500 or whatever the equilibrium price ends up being (the price where large numbers of breeders feel it is no longer worth it to increase production). It's what happens between the time they are $75,000 and they are $1000 that I find interesting. Will it take 10 years or 20? Will the drop be a steady 20% a year or will there be a 50% year in there?

And don't have a cow over a 20% per year drop; it would still take 20 years to go from $75,000 to $864 at that rate. Even if a co-dominant morph decreased 30% per year it would still take 13 years to go from $75,000 to under $1,000. If you only produce 3 of them in your first 3 years getting in anywhere in a steady 30%/year drop you would still turn a profit. It's those 60% a year drops that are a little harder to out produce but even that could be fine.

I don't know what makes you the expert Billy Jean, but you are wrong about the bananas. The original that was imported is a female and all her banana offspring are females. There are less banana offspring than you can count on one hand. I suggest you backup your "conspiracy theories," with facts, rather than making posts where you clearly don't know what you're talking about - it makes you look foolish.

Tim

they seek to prevent from happening, sudden price drops.

The dichotomy is the natural urge to hold back and keep prices "up" is contradictory to making money.

Then, in turn, when you sell to make the money, you give away the recipe and the price control all at once.

When BMW sell a car, it doesnt include a little kit to start making BMW's.

This is the spectre the "control" crowd refuses to face.

sorry i just put two snakes in a box i'm not an english teacher..thanks
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billy jean king
BugBusters

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?dichotomy
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Charles Glaspie

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