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And have to say, certainly to leave him in the incubator (warm) and wait and watch, he does appear to have some sort of deformity in the stomach or mid body area.

In one pic, looking down at his back, One side looks a bit caved in, maybe the lack of ribs,/ rib cage, in another pic looking at the underside, the other side (left) looks to have an abnormal petrudance

Also very large amount of umbilical matter (yolk sac) still attached in center, like the hatchling vestigium that I lost this spring.

His limbs also appear to not have alot of muscle tone, look flimsy, saggy skin on the bone. I don't know , we talked and agreed to see if he can even walk or open his eyes in the morning.

If he continues like this she will just take him to the vet and decide there what to do.
It's a shame, as we also agreed that they go through the whole growing hatching process only to be malformed or sometimes die. SAD !
But it happens in nature also, to the weakest.

Still have to HOPE !
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PHEve / Eve

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i don't even know if my original post makes any sense. so much was happening at one time and i was so afraid of losing all the babies.
i think that when i gave the oldest one the calcium, that i got some on its nose so it was making him breathe funny. he does have the twitches though and i am taking steps to correct that.

the second baby's shell dried to his head, which is why he would not emerge. it was also stuck to his one arm and upper back. he seems to be fine though but tomorrow he will get some calcium just in case he is low like his sibling.

the third baby just breaks my heart. he seems to want to live, like he hatched and he tries to run/walk, definitely if i touch him but something went wrong inside that egg. he opens his eyes now which makes this choice even harder.

my dad pointed out that he could get a horrible infection in his stomach, which would be a terrible way to die.

i really just hope he goes to sleep and doesn't wake up but he seems too much of a fighter for that so i am going to have to make some decision tomorrow
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vonnie
***The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline luggage.
— Mark Russell***

My hopes and pryers are with you and your baby lizards. Its heartbreaking to hear your situation. But just like Eve said. Things like this happend in nature for a reason, and sadly must happen to keep a species strong. I can only imagine in the wild all the mishaps and downfalls a cluch of collard babys confront in the wild. 1 out of 8 in the wild probably see adulthood.

Cheer up and best wishes and love to your little ones.

Aaron