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Color Question from past thread (long)

Rick Millspaugh Nov 26, 2005 12:09 PM

I just read the question below and some of the responses about how to get a dragon to be more colorful. The original question was about a beardie that was colorful at night while sleeping but dark during the day.

Some of the responses though were about color feeding; this is the first I have ever heard of color feeding bearded dragons. Is there any evidence that this is true? I know with birds (warm blooded reptiles) that some get red when fed beticarotine (spelling?) in their food (canaries) but others, like parrots and parakeets, could be fed “color food” everyday for years with no effect. I doubt snakes would be affected by color food, but it never occurred to me that beardies might.

I personally think if you want colorful dragons, get one that has a good background for the color you want. A dragon that is naturally colorful would be much better than an artificially created one. The thought is kind of scary, too many scammers out there.

On the original question, I will eco what a few others have said; the dragon is dark because something is not right. If they go without proper lighting too long they will look dark, florescent UVB bulbs have a set life that they produce proper amounts of UVB, after about 9 months most are shot, after 12 months for sure, replace them. We tried the mercury vapor lights with mixed results, many of the dragons took on the dark look. I think they put out more heat than a same watt incandescent bulb. We use fluorescents and the dragons seem happier. Also, a little natural sunlight works wonders on both a dragons color and appetite. A few minutes, once or twice a week will do wonders for them.

A happy dragon is a colorful dragon (if they were colorful to start with). To feed them something special to force color does not address the fact that something was not right to start with or your beardie would be colorful. If your dragon has good color at night, something is wrong with your day time set-up. Temperature is important, too hot and they get dark and hide, too cold and they get dark too. Our dragons seem happiest with a hot spot between 100 to 103 and a cool area around 80 to 85. Cage mates may be bullying a less dominate dragon causing them to hide and be dark too.

They need good care too, water, food, and a clean cage. Dragons need sprayed with water, only a few learn to drink from a bowl (they like to be sprayed too), make sure the water is not too cold! Young dragons need sprayed at least everyday. Adults every other day or so if they are eating veggies daily to get moisture. Take care of your crickets too, they need fed or they have no food value (we use oat baby cereal, and cricket quencher – the blue stuff, plus they get some kind of veggie piece at night). Young dragons should be fed 3 times a day, less as they become adults, less than that will cause stress and you will have a dark dragon.

If your colorful bearded dragon is dark it is because it is stressed in some way or another. Don’t blame the dragon.

Pic is one year old female, Ginger, never been “fed” to make her look like this, she’s just fat and happy.

Replies (8)

therebeldragon Nov 26, 2005 05:43 PM

Ok first off, screw the post, i don't believe in "color feeding" or artifitial coloring. beardies and wonderful and amazing from their personality. Natural is better. 2nd, are you gonna breed that female, she is AMAZING and a great example of being natural. I'd buy a baby or two from that cluth!!! Do you know what color phase she is?

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Rick Millspaugh Nov 26, 2005 07:58 PM

Color feeding dragons before, I agree, it seems wrong; almost dishonest. I just thought you were supposed to pick your breeders carefuly and produce color naturally. Do people really do that?

We are probably going to breed Ginger next year. We bought an outcross male last year just to breed with her. She is one of our mixes. Dad is Sandfire - Bloodred - pastel from Dachui lines (not from them directly) that we bred here. Mom is a yellow from Sandfire. Both her and her mom are real characters, they have a lot of personality. We've sold a few sisters and brothers from this year as well as quite a few last year. Thanks for the complement too. Here's a pic of a brother from this year (taken with my cruddy camera).

>>Ok first off, screw the post, i don't believe in "color feeding" or artifitial coloring. beardies and wonderful and amazing from their personality. Natural is better. 2nd, are you gonna breed that female, she is AMAZING and a great example of being natural. I'd buy a baby or two from that cluth!!! Do you know what color phase she is?

beardiedragon Nov 28, 2005 07:52 AM

yes there are foods that enhance color. I won't use them since the person buying from me would be upset when their BD lost color. I use natural sunlight to stimulate my BDs. Many have colored up earlier than in the past. They don't lose that color when they go to a new home if the new keeper maintains good UVB and proper diet. A happy BD will always look more colorful. Here are some of this years babies.

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alphadragon Nov 28, 2005 02:40 PM

Yes it is true if you raise a dragon in natural sunlight dragons will show extreme colors. Yellows will look orange, Oranges will look red and so on and so forth. The only way a customer can keep the same color as a sun raised or MVB raised dragon is to keep it under the same conditions ie.(natural sunlight or MVB). Most people do not use MVB and very few people raise their dragons outside. So when a person buys a dragon that is raised in good natural sunlight like we have in California or Florida than most likely it is not going to stay that way.

SDR had a bad wrap for a while because they raised all of the dragons outside. People began to say that their dragons brownwed out. They eventually put up this warning on their old site which I will quote here

"(*Please note: all dragon hatchlings are raised outdoors in natural sunlight for at least one month prior to sale unless otherwise specified. They are guaranteed for one month after purchase and will be replaced during that period if you are not fully satisfied. We are unable to guarantee gender.)"

This was directly caused by raising dragon in the sun and then the owners put the dragon in a tank under a Reptisun 5.0 or a Reptiglo 8.0 and they did not maintain there color. Living in California I could raise my dragons outside but I chose not too because in the end my customer is probably not going to raise the dragon outside and will most likely use a Reptisun 5.0 or 10.0 for their UVB.

I feel there are many benefits to raising your dragons under natural sunlight. One of the major ones is a boosted immune system. Another one is a faster growth rate. Although Hatchlings do extremely well under UVB lights. Basically in this hobby your name can make you or break you. I made a conscious decision to use one Reptisun 10.0 and before that dual Repitsun 5.0s over my babies so I can avoid any chitter chatter that suggests that my babies would brown out.

A whole new issue is the issue of using artificial color enhancers. These guys are very dangerous for the animal and the customer.

There is a temptation by reptile owners to try and make their animals better than they are genetically programmed to be. The only thing you can do for an animal is make him/her happy by provding a proper living environment(UVB,correct temps, proper feeding.....etc) People have to remember that pet products are not tested by anyone. I would strongly sugggest taking a look at the ingredients in the things we are feeding our reptiles. Even take it a step further and research the ingredients.

The other and probably most damaging part of the newly marketed color enhancers is that what if a breeder were to use this on his female breeders spraying it on every meal they eat and in the water they drink. What if they only did it while the female was gravid and through egg laying and then fed it to the hatchling from day one until the day they left the door at 6 weeks old. These dragons would be completely and artificially colored. They would most likely loose there extreme colors in a few months. Leaving the consumer with a brown dragon that is a washed out version of its former self. This is by far the biggest danger with these type of color enhancers and they should be pulled off the market!!

Thanks,
Randy

Please do not delte this thread I have not used any product names in my thread. Thanks
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Rick Millspaugh Nov 28, 2005 05:38 PM

We keep ours inside too, to many dangers to keep them outside all the time, although there are probably times of the year that we could. They do get a few minutes of "real" sun every week though (except in the middle of winter). It obviously does them some good; the difference in their activity level is noticeable right after being outside.

All the sun in the world is not going to make a dragon more colorful than it is genetically programmed to be though. Better than kept solely indoors, is not the same as better than they really are. But as I said, ours are kept indoors 99.9 percent of the time. I do think people should make the effort to get their dragons out every once in a while. But watch them!

We are such "small time" breeders, that gossip has always been less important than the health of the dragons. A happy healthy dragon is always going to look good. Hopefully most of the people that have bought from us have been happy. Some are repeat customers which always makes you think you are doing something right.

We are either going to need an outcross next year or not breed a couple dragons; we’ll have to talk, you have always had some good looking dragons!

alphadragon Nov 29, 2005 11:47 AM

Hey Rick,

I think you might of read the post wrong. I did not say that natural sunlight would make the dragons more colorful than they are genetically programmed to be, I said that color enhancers will. Here is the quote.

A whole new issue is the issue of using artificial color enhancers. These guys are very dangerous for the animal and the customer.

There is a temptation by reptile owners to try and make their animals better than they are genetically programmed to be. The only thing you can do for an animal is make him/her happy by provding a proper living environment(UVB,correct temps, proper feeding.....etc) People have to remember that pet products are not tested by anyone. I would strongly sugggest taking a look at the ingredients in the things we are feeding our reptiles. Even take it a step further and research the ingredients.

I bolded the fact that making your dragon happy and then mention UVB(possibly sunlight and other ways)as ways to get more color out of your dragon.

Thanks,
Randy
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Rick Millspaugh Nov 29, 2005 02:19 PM

n/p

alphadragon Nov 29, 2005 02:24 PM

>>n/p
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