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Why aren't there more intergrades in the wild? Is it because each species give off it's own unique pheromones? Just wondering why during the breeding season in the wild there isn't a mass orgy of the different ssp's?

Thanks,
Miller
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1.1 Florida King ('02 Pit & '00 Pearl)
1.1 Eastern Kings (2004 Orca & Sugar Pie)
1.0 Black Milksnake (2005 Bubba)
1.0 Chow Chow (2003 Papi)
0.2 Cats (Stella and Shug)

geographical bounderies, if there were'nt any,then wild snakes would have a way wild gene pool.

but, aren't there ssp that overlap?
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1.1 Florida King ('02 Pit & '00 Pearl)
1.1 Eastern Kings (2004 Orca & Sugar Pie)
1.0 Black Milksnake (2005 Bubba)
1.0 Chow Chow (2003 Papi)
0.2 Cats (Stella and Shug)

that do it, but they have to be closly related like subs or certain genera, if they're to distantly related of course nothing happens. Like i tried to say b/4 the geographical barriers/distances prevent massive intergration among many types. I hope that makes sense.

Your so so so old fashioned. Where the heck have you been the last thirty years. Its plain as the nose on your face, that different species even different genera can successfully breed and produce fertile offspring. FR

Were you joking FR when you said that? Would it be possible to breed a corn and a ball python and produce fertile offspring hybrids? Maybe I didn't get it and it was a joke but knowing you fr and your experience you may not have been joking. Yes they are in 2 obviously different classes of snakes so I should stop typing... Just an honest question that I've asked myself sometimes but dismissed it.

Sorry I forgot you do not use common sense, A king will not breed an ant either, but surely there are much closer things that are not the same. Like gopher/king crosses. You do understand, they have been seen in captivity and nature. Or various rattlesnake crosses(many types) in nature.

Hybrids are actually fairly common in nature. But they do not "fit" so most do not survive. Now consider, if 95% of normal offspring do not survive, and they are selected for, then what percentage hybrids would survive. The answer is most likely very very low. I would say zero, but unfortunately we have a nearby population that relatively commonly contains hybrids(mohave/diamondbacks)

You must consider, behavior plays a very important part in this. In fact, its more important then physical rules. We know, so many species can be crossed with other species or even genera and produce viable offspring. So, physically its possible. Yet its rare in nature. So what prevents it? As my partner said in another post, elementery my dear watson, its behavior, as in behavioral barriers. The problem is, these are breachable. They don't always work or are not always present.

For instance, we have two types of very similar lizards, a Clarks spiny and a Magisters spiny, They are the same size, shape, etc etc. Yet are different, they occur in the same habitats or different habitats. They occur in areas away from eachother, and also overlap. Yet they do not normally cross when they overlap, in nature. But if you take one individual from a population that is not exposed to the other similar type(no need to develop barriers) and expose it to an individual of the other species, thats from a population that is not exposed to that species, again no need to develop preventive barriers, then sir, all bets are off.

But then if it serves you that an ant cannot breed with a polar bear, then perfect, after all, if it serves you, then who cares. Please don't get mad, all I am doing is taking larger extreme then you. You do understand, theres plenty of cases that are not so extreme. FR

Thanks a lot, I didn't realize it was a joke (stupid me...) and that is why I asked if what you were saying is true. I didn't take offense to what you said at all and I'm glad that you replied because it was a dumb question that I should have known. Yes I know there are many many hybrids these days and with all the Rock X burmese,Retic X Burmese,Corn X King,Ball python X Burm and the many other crosses out there, a person can get confused. But it's nice to dream of different species that no one would think possible to breed actually happens. I guess the 2 animals have to be very alike to breed. The ant and polar bear thing was very funny by the way.

We can now think about crossing all sort of different species. I imagine, some will work and some will not. Now, in order to say what will and what will not, we must try it. Or find it.

Oh a more serious note, do not let anything, rules, laws, or precieved rules and laws, ever stop you from dreaming. You see, dreams do not have to enclude those. Sometimes dreams come true. FR

There are no rules to stop you from trying to cross two kinds of snakes, as in no legal binding rules or regulations(check your state, city, county regs). There are social rules as you will see here, "my god, you should not do sure a thing", you only need to ask yourself, which is more important to you.

Only you can judge whats right for you. Will someone appear and beat you to within a inch of your life, no i don't think so. Will the world stop turning, the sun not raise, etc, again, no. Will your parents disown you? maybe, but not for attempting a cross. Will your friends all run home and grab guns and knives, maybe again, and maybe because of this. You just need to weight your own circumstances and do whats right for you. FR

...I have a friend in TEXAS that swears the "skeeters is so big they can stand flat-footed and *&#* a turkey!"
hmmmm. haha
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

www.crimsonking.funtigo.com

have you ever thunk thats how those skeeters got so big to start with?????????????? gobblin skeeters. Or Skeeters and stuffing, wit sweet taters. FR

hahaha..
I was more worried that they may get something other than biting on their minds! Watch yer back fellas!
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

www.crimsonking.funtigo.com

genera, BUT that don't mean a african egg-eater can cross with a coachwhip.LOL!!!!!or can they?