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quick question guys, im purchasing a jungle boa from a clutch of jungles that doesnt look very much jungle at all. now im sure of its origins and such, the only thing i want to be 100% sure aboput is that even though it doesnt look anything like a jungle will oits offspring still be jungles if he is bred to normal females as i have planned. this is what i have been told what do you think?!!!

What exactly do you mean when you say that it "doesn't look very much jungle at all"? Are you referring to the fact that it just doesn't have any pattern aberrancies? If so, then that is nothing to worry about. Jungles are not made up of ONLY pattern aberrancies. The Jungle gene is both a pattern AND a color mutation. Even with NO pattern aberrancies, there should be other distinct characterisitics that tell you the animal IS a Jungle.

The coloration of the animal - The coloration of a Jungle Boa should be distinct, especially when compared with a normal boa. Jungles have a yellowish body coloration. As babies, it is not as extreme and can appear slightly ivory or bone colored in appearance. However, as they grow, this coloration tends to intensify and turn more and more yellow.

I've noticed in our Jungles, there is also a distinct difference the in the coloration between the dorsal and sides of the animal. The dorsal is where most of this yellow/ivory/bone coloration is and the sides are very grey in color.

I've also noticed that even if the Jungle has no aberrancies (connected saddles, etc.), the saddles themselves have a very distinct shape. They are generally more "squared off" or "cookie-cutter" shaped looking. They sometimes have circles inside the saddles as well.

Others have mentioned other "Jungle characterisitics" such as a circle pattern on top of the head or pink/red colored eyes. I have noticed these characterisitics on some of my Jungles although not all of them.

The MOST important thing to consider is WHO you are buying your Jungle from. If you are buying it from a respected breeder who cares about not only their reputation but correctly representing their animal, then I wouldn't expect you to have any problems. I would find out what sort of guarantee the breeder offers (if any) and if they stand behind their animals.

I personally would not hesitate to buy a Jungle Boa from people like Gray Rushin/Jeff Gray, Mark Miller, Rick Stanulus, Jeremy Stone, and Pete Kahl just to name a few because I know these breeders will guarantee the genetics on the animal I purchase. I'm not saying that these are the only good breeders to buy from. I know there are many others but just be sure you do all your research before investing in the animal.

So I guess to answer your question, if what you are buying is a guaranteed genetic Jungle Boa from the swedish line, then no matter what it looks like, it SHOULD produce Jungle Boas for you when bred to normal females.

I hope this helps. Good luck!

Thanks,
Celia
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Celia Chien
www.ExoticsByNature.com

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Celia, you are awesome! ......But you left your name off the list!!!!

"I personally would not hesitate to buy a Jungle Boa from people like Gray Rushin/Jeff Gray, Mark Miller, Rick Stanulus, Jeremy Stone, and Pete Kahl just to name a few because I know these breeders will guarantee the genetics on the animal I purchase. I'm not saying that these are the only good breeders to buy from. I know there are many others but just be sure you do all your research before investing in the animal".

I have seen Celia's Jungles and although the above people are outstanding,...she has also produced some of the best Jungles I have seen!! Andy

her best jungles are in my opinion the best anywhere. I all has to do with the breeding stock. More and more people are keeping great normal Colombians, and this enhances selective breeding.

Selective breeding gave us High Contrast Albinos, Pastels (and all their creations), killer Hypos, clean Ghosts, and now spectacular Jungles. Obviously this edge of the market will keep things going for a LONG time.

I would have to say that no one can compete with the jungles and super jungles produced by Peter Kahl and Greg Grindstaff. It's not that no one else hasn't produce great looking jungles but just like Rich Ihle with the salmon, Peter and Greg have the upper hand in that they have worked with this morph longer then most.

How come you never post your full name, so we know who we are talking to? Thanks Andy

for your very kind words!

Thanks,
Celia
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Celia Chien
www.ExoticsByNature.com

2006 Boa Constrictor Morphs Calendar
2006 Ball Python Morphs Calendar

I have to agree with the post above. Who are you purchasing your jungle from? If you are purchasing your jungle from neverbeenheardof.com then you have some homework to do. I'm not saying they don't have "real" jungles but do some research as to how they aquired them. Though quite a few people have them now, only a handfull of people have produced them.

Hey guys, ok i am purchasing it off a generally well know breeder from right here in Toronto, although he did not breed it himself and was actually produced by pete kahl , and i have confirmed that through email. I have already purchased from this breeder and am very happy from the results, and that is why i asked, more so just to make sure that a snake that doesnt look "jungle" as in, has no stripes or very wierd patterns, could produce such offspring when bred to a normal BCI

thanks alot, Adam Rivers