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I was able to take a picture of the underbelly of my Yellowbelly (AKA. Het Ivory) to offer more explanation:

Below is a pic of the Yellowbelly and underneath it is an explanation of the Yellowbelly characteristics.

My photos were taken in poor lighting so there is an overall yellowish tint to the entire picture which should be disregarded. Despite it's name, the Yellowbelly does not have a yellow belly, instead the belly is clear and outlined with dark scales on both sides. The black areas inbetween the gold pattern has "flames," an extreme form of blushing, in the black areas.

When a Yellowbelly is bred to a normal it produces approximately 50% Yellowbellies and 50% normals.

Yellowbelly to Yellowbelly = approx. half Ivory (see pic below) and half Yellowbelly:

Amir took a Yellowbelly to an granit-ish female and produced the Ebony (see pic below). Ralph Davis has done the same, however, and only produced clutches of half yellowbellies and half normals, which would indicate there is something unique about Amir's female.

Jared Horenstein bred a Yellowbelly to a unique female and produced the spectacular "Super Stripe" (see pic below). Others have tried to produce the Super Stripe without success, but Jared produced one in 2004 and another in 2005, proving that it is a geneticly inherited trait vs a non-inheritable fluke.

Because of the variation of morphs produced in combination with the Yellowbelly some believe the Yellowbelly gene could be one of the most important and diverse to work with.

Thanks again Tony for the beautiful Yellowbelly you sent.
Python Joe

Actually Yellowbelly to Yellowbelly will produce about 1/4 Ivory, 1/2 yellowbelly and 1/4 normal.

Mark

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>>Yellowbelly to Yellowbelly = approx. half Ivory (see pic below) and half Yellowbelly:
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Thanks for the pics. Man, I still love that little super stripe.

Quig

They are so sweet...........and they just GLOW!!! The little 05 girl looks like she is going to burst into flames.........

Jared

Joe.

Thanks for your kind words. It easy to sell great snake when the babies eat the way these yellowbelly have.

Jared needs to let a few people in on the female offspring produced by the super stripe. Come Jared you cant keep all of them.

Tony Hurt
Snake Evolutions

There is a lot more in store for the Yellowbellies!!!

I have my first copulation of the year taking place right now between my Breeder Y.B. & Cinnamon Pastel Female.......fingers crossed!!!

Jared H

Jared, Stop that!!! Yer killin' me!! There's nothin' about that snake I don't like.

Quig

That color is insane!!! Definitely one of my favorite morphs...

Can't wait to see what the yellow belly x cinny produces...

Good luck with that pairing.

Tom

this took place yesterday and today,thanks for looking
Greg Van Zweden @ VanZwedenreptiles

http://www.geocities.com/vanzwedensreptiles/

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Greg that female looks familiar good luck Brad

Nice post, I did notice one mistake that needs cleared up however.. YB's are Het for Ivory therefore when a pair of YB's are bred together you get about 25% visual Ivories not about 50% as you said , you would get 50% Ivory offspring if you breed a Ivory to a YB, the rest being YB babies. It's exactly the same as breeding a pair of het albinos together, about 25% of the offspring would be albinos, or by breeding an albino to a het yields about 50% albinos the rest being hets.. Your post as very good and I'm only adding to it here to possibly clear up some confusing that you may have stirred up... Take care, Anthony McCain-McCain's Reptiles...

Here`s a nice female yellow belly that I received from Anthony McCain last summer,she`s a strong rat feeder and is doing great.Thanks for such a great animal. On a separate note, with all the wonderful things that a yellow belly has already been proven to do. And with all the untapped potential of this morph,why are people slashing prices on them? Even cb females are being offered at ridiculous prices. I dont get it,someone please enlighten me.I think for what they can do, combined with the price they`re available for...yellow bellies may be the best value out there.Just my opinion. Best wishes, Mark BallPython777.com

MArk, glad she's turning out well for you! I agree 100% with you, female YB's are an extremely valuable critter to have in your collection, and with the prices some are offering them it is crazy... I'm not giving mine away that's for sure they will just stay here and get crossed into everything I'm working with, that's where all this stuff is headed anyways , what better morph to do it with than the Yellowbellies?!!! Take care Mark, happy holidays to you and your family, Anthony McCain-McCain's Reptiles......

Okay i still dont understand the huge rave over the yellow bellies. I mean they have some blushing. There still very nice but i mean really just because an ebony and a super stripe has been produced...AND THERE AMAZING...
How do we know that amirs unique granitish female carrys a co dom trait and the ebony is the outcome.
As well as jareds unique female...How do we know that its a cross.

Also, if there are any pics of jareds unique female or amirs granitish female floating around anywere can you please post them?

Please correct me if i am wrong.

The reason the Yellowbelly is so exciting is because of its potential. The Ivory is a 100% proven outcome (approx. 25% of the offspring when breeding Yellowbelly to Yellowbelly). Even though we don't know much about Jared's or Amir's unique females, we also don't know if the females we each already own could procuce some amazing new morph when bred to a Yellowbelly. I purchased a couple special females that I'm raising up just to take to my Yellowbelly when they're the right size, hoping that one or more will produce something new, or another line of Super Stripe or Ebony.

Why all the buzz -- in a nutshell, the Yellowbelly seems to be heterozygous for several different morphs, not just one. It's the only Ball morph to have "multi-morphic" genes. No one knows how many more spectacular new morps will be created either by "accident" (breeding it to a "special normal" or by breeding it with another known morph to create some unexpected, wild designer.

Both were produced from unrelated yellowbelly males.......to the same mother..........if that does not show you its a genetic combination......I am not sure what will.......

and no.........no pics of mom floating around..........sorry.

Jared H

Hey Jared quick question.

I saw your post further down the page about the "Mocha" ball that you proved recently.

here is the post text and link:

"Here is a new project I dont think we have shown before......I got a weird baby in 99 that had some different looks to her......Well she proved to be a dominant mutation in 2004 and again in 2005 she made some more spceial babies.........on top of a wicked combo....... "

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=953658,953658

And here is the title for your post above.
RE: Let's see..........I produced 2 already....1 in 04, 1 in 05 ......

One plus two equals three.....

Is this "Mocha" female the mom to the "Superstripes"?

If so that is going to be a very valuable morph what ever she proves out to be, but I'm betting a there is a visible homozygous that is going to look amazing.

Also just wondering if you will be producing "combos" with her this season or will you be trying for the homozygous to prove it co-dominant?

Thanks again for the awesome pics you always post,
Dan

Hi,
I think when you consider return on investment, or the cost of Yellow Bellies, to what it can produce and, especially, the price of the things it can produce, Yellow Bellies are one of the best investment morphs there are. They really don't do a lot for me but, buying high and selling after there is a huge price drop is not the smartest thing to do, and not the bestbest return on investment. But...the prices have dropped on Yellow Bellies because they are not really all THAT much different in color than normals. The perceived value is less. Plus I think the prices are coming down on all morphs because people just can't afford them. It's just getting more realistic. Remember, when a stock is over-valued, it is not good. When prices are stable, there is more confidence in the market over-all and things will not only sell better (not exactly real hot right now) but you'll also get a good buck for what you sell - it might not be $25,000 for an animal, but I'll sell $1500 to $2500 snakes all day.
Paul Edwards

Anthony, thanks for helping to clear up the outcome for Yellowbelly to Yellowbelly producing approx. 25% Ivory, 50% Yellowbelly and 25% normal. It does get confusing.
Python Joe

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I thought I did.

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No problem man, glad to help ... Very nice post you had otherwise, good luck to you with the project , and nice looking YB/Ivory Het by the way!!! Anthony McCain-McCain's Reptiles...

Here is my yellow belly male. He is a strong breeder and is breeding a 3900 gram female in the photo below. This is the same female that produced 12 eggs for me last season 2-17-05 and 7 eggs on 3-17-04, yes exactly one month to the day, I found that really weird plus she laid eggs 11 months apart. Very Interesting I thought. I am waiting to see what comes from this breeding. Thanks David

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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)...Man that was a nice one...gone
1.0 Cinnamon Pastel(Bryan Kollwitz)(05)
2.0 Mojave Ball pythons(05)
0.1 Spider Ball(04)(RDR)
1.0 Butterscotch Ghost(04)
1.0 Albino(05)(T. Heuring/bell line)
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60 04 females
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