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I just received this Caramel Albino male from Morph King Reptiles. He is a VPI-NERD Caramel that hatched this year at MKR. He already is very faded with a lot of blushing and intense color. I have not photographed him as of yet to show his actual color which is quite remarkable. Caramels are underrated in my opinion but I rate them very high as a truly beautiful Morph. Joe and Wes thanks for this awesome animal and for the way you do business.

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Royal Variations

Many a false step is made from standing still.

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Isn't it cooler that serpent's don't walk anymore?
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I have to give Joe and Wes the credit for producing the animal from such nice bloodlines. They took the time to carefully breed the bloodlines to produce strong animals that are really beautiful. MKR has to my knowledge not had kinking with their Caramels because of their selective breeding. Thanks for the comments.
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Many a false step is made from standing still.

Or did they figure some other way to compensate for the tendency? They would they let us know if they did, wouldn't they?

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Many a false step is made from standing still.

I would have expected someone would have thought of outbreeding caramels to avoid kinks years ago. Given the report that about half the imported caramels where kinked I really wouldn’t expect it to help but would have thought it to have been tried by now anyway. Maybe MKR found another solution (cool or dry incubation, vitamin supplements, etc.). Of course I would expect as true snake lovers they would share whatever the recipe to produce lots of kinkless caramels is for the sake of future hatchlings even if it isn't the best for competitive market advantage.

Out bred animals seem to have less kinking. Out bred to other bloodlines even less. Why would you accuse MKR of having a secret to not producing kinked animals that they would keep from you? Have you spoken with Joe or Wes? Why would you think they would mislead you? If I produce non kinked animals am I keeping a secret from you? What is the basis for your comments?
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Many a false step is made from standing still.

"Out bred animals seem to have less kinking. Out bred to other bloodlines even less. Why would you accuse MKR of having a secret to not producing kinked animals that they would keep from you? Have you spoken with Joe or Wes? Why would you think they would mislead you? If I produce non kinked animals am I keeping a secret from you? What is the basis for your comments?"

My comments where that I would assume they WOULD tell us, NOT that they wouldn't tell us. Any assumption is by nature a theory and not a proven fact. If we all had all the facts it wouldn't be worth posting questions about. I didn't accuse them of anything, have not spoken to them, and am not aware of them saying anything about this misleading or otherwise. Since you brought up out breeding I thought this would be a good thread to explore ideas and ask questions about how it might be possible to regularly produce non kinked caramels. The outbreeding theory doesn’t add up for me so what better place than a public forum to ask questions.

So you are saying that crossing different caramel lines gives you less chance of kinks than even outbreeding to non-caramel lines? I guess you eventually have to inbred a little with a single outbred line. But isn't VPI line caramel from NERD anyway?

My comments where that I would assume they WOULD tell us, NOT that they wouldn't tell us.

OKAY?

Any assumption is by nature a theory and not a proven fact.

Actually any non proven fact is theory, be it assumed or not until proven.

If we all had all the facts it wouldn't be worth posting questions about.

Posted facts are useful here also.

I didn't accuse them of anything, have not spoken to them, and am not aware of them saying anything about this misleading or otherwise. Since you brought up out breeding I thought this would be a good thread to explore ideas and ask questions about how it might be possible to regularly produce non kinked caramels. The outbreeding theory doesn’t add up for me so what better place than a public forum to ask questions.

OKAY? So you are asking how to reduce kinking? and the public forum is the format.

So you are saying that crossing different caramel lines gives you less chance of kinks than even outbreeding to non-caramel lines?

That is possible as with any line that is bred to other lines at least in theory.

I guess you eventually have to inbred a little with a single outbred line. But isn't VPI line caramel from NERD anyway?

I have been told that they are the same line and I have also been told that when outbred they have less kinking or no kinking. I currently have 5 bloodlines of Caramels to outbreed.
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Many a false step is made from standing still.

Well keep up the good work and let us know what you find please.

The way I look at it either the tendency for kinking is either caused by the caramel gene or it's caused by some other gene (it's reported too often not to have some sort of genetic base). Have all 5 of your lines had reported kinking? If it's showing up in all lines it seems more likely to me that it's the caramel gene it's self. I suppose they could all be closely related in Africa and the kinking caused by a gene closely linked to the original caramel mutation. If so, hopefully outbreeding can eventually separate the kinking gene from the caramel gene. However, I don't see where crossing lines that both have a tendency to kink would be expected to help with the kinking (maybe would help with general outbred vigor) but by all means put it to the test and report what really happens and if it does we'll need to think up a theory to explain why it worked.

Any information that I can share as to outbreeding the Caramels to many different lines, I will gladly let you know. I think they are worth the effort and they are truly awesome animals.

Sincerely, Kyle
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Many a false step is made from standing still.

It's certainly been encouraging to hear secondhand that someone has apparently had great success producing non-kinked caramels this year. Hopefully those results will be reproducible, however it was done, and we can start putting this problem behind us. I've always thought it is an awesome morph (can't wait for a caramel mojave) but couldn’t figure out why it was still so rare until I finally heard about the kinking.

Congrats on your new Caramel. They have always been my favorite of all the ball morphs. Good luck with him.
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He's beautiful!! I feel the same way about the Caramel Albino ... they are so gorgeous yet still underrated. Best of luck with him

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Great looking Caramel!!! Congrats!!!!!!

Rick

>>I just received this Caramel Albino male from Morph King Reptiles. He is a VPI-NERD Caramel that hatched this year at MKR. He already is very faded with a lot of blushing and intense color. I have not photographed him as of yet to show his actual color which is quite remarkable. Caramels are underrated in my opinion but I rate them very high as a truly beautiful Morph. Joe and Wes thanks for this awesome animal and for the way you do business.
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That is a Very Pretty Caramel Albino. He is already showing its adult coloration!

Nice - Kevin
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I appreciate your comments and I am glad he is of your line of Caramels. I would like to also mention that your book is going to further enhance the interest and enthusiasm for the Royal Pythons. Good luck with the book and I know it will be a classic for reference and information. I sincerely appreciate that you have written a book in detail with photos that document the Morphs. You also have been one of THE PIONEERS of Royal Python interest. Congrats.

Sincerely, Kyle

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Many a false step is made from standing still.