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ok don't banish me from the forum for asking this question that probably has been asked many times before. whats the differences between BCC and BCI.
thank you for your time

Scientific name..Boa Constrictor Constrictor, Boa Constrictor Imperitor. Mainly after that, locale. If I'm correct, BCC is south america, BCI is central. Something like that.
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Cycling: Trio Black Rat Snakes

Together: Poss Het Axanthic male Ball x Normal-no mating witnessed yet.

Chris LaViola
CMLReptiles
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

the great thing about this forum is that you can ask questions you may not fully know the answer to, like i did any maybe try to throw in a little humor whick i guess i did not. i have done some searching but just wanted to make sure that with all of the experience in these forums that i did not miss anything. maybe one day i might know as much as you do now, but now i do not and i am tring to learn to be more educated so in the future if someone new comes to this forum and people like you don't feel like helping out the people that do not know everything maybe i can help in some way. i'm not trying to be rude and i mean no disrespect but this is why i'm here for the experience and education. take this reply anyway you want its not meant to be offensive.

Have you ever tried to seach for something here? The search engine is pretty cruddy. If you could select the forum you wanted to do the search in it would be great. But do a search on anything and you'll get 40 pages from the skink section.
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Cycling: Trio Black Rat Snakes

Together: Poss Het Axanthic male Ball x Normal-no mating witnessed yet.

Chris LaViola
CMLReptiles
Website under construction
CMLReptiles@aol.com

First off, I am one of those that helps anyone I can, every chance I get. For this reason, it immediately popped into my head how I answered this SAME EXACT question 2 or 3 times this week alone!

Know what? I am helping you learn... know how? by having you search and find the info you're looking for, and much more, and learning things you weren't even looking for or thinking about in the process.

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Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a LIFETIME.
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I have never tried to search here... search functions are generally futile.
What I mean, what I should've said, What I do... is simply scroll down this page and then move on to the next, and continue.. browse through the titles for something you are looking for.
I GUARANTEE you will learn much more than you are looking for.

If you type one question at a time, and wait until someone is ready to help you, how much will you learn? how long will it take you?
You are willingly putting yourself at the mercy of others.. you are relinquishing your control and handing that over to someone else... whenever they feed good and ready to respond, they will, and if they don't know you, they may not... then you may see people posting to their own posts with comments like, "Noone? Ok THANKS"

Sooooo
besides searching through the search function
besides searching by scrolling through the sections
besides searching on other sites
besides searching on search engines like Google
besides going to the breeder page and reading care sheets on their sites

there are still many, many, MANY ways to find the answer to what you're looking for...

In this case, my answer to the last question about "what's the difference of bcc and bci" is probably on page 2, and there's probably another on page 3..

So, again, no offense meant, no offense taken.

I responded in a way that would have the "more experienced/maybe less 'newbie-patient breeders" out there satisfied that I told you to do it yourself, without actually saying something really rude, or offensive, or not answering at all. In this way, those other guys won't feel the need to jump in and roast you... which I agree is totally unnecessary, but you wouldn't believe how many times that happens! and I know that can be deterring and frustrating to say the least..

Most people wouldn't bother answering at all...

Sorry if that offended you... I have this thing where I really don't take things personal.. and sometimes don't realize that my words may be offensive to others.

Anyway, back to work...

my last answer was...

Go to this site www.RioBravoReptiles.com and look at the care sheets, history, breedings, and anything else you can...

You will acquire a great wealth of info with this site alone. and there are thousands of more sites out there that can also help.

Take care, Joe

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

You do have a good point. I wasn't trying to upset anybody or start an arguement. I know the questions get annoying, but even if like you put it, you teach 1 man to fish...you're gonna have 5 more people the next day asking for a fish. This kinda stuff is never gonna end, sad to say it but it's true.
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Cycling: Trio Black Rat Snakes

Together: Poss Het Axanthic male Ball x Normal-no mating witnessed yet.

Chris LaViola
CMLReptiles
Website under construction
CMLReptiles@aol.com

There is a difference between teaching a man to fish and telling him to go learn. It does not matter if the same question gets posted everyday.... that is why this forum is here. If you do not like the question, simply ignore it. Who here has not asked a question that was probably asked/answered earlier?

"There is a difference between teaching a man to fish and telling him to go learn."
Yes, you are correct, and for that I apologize.

"It does not matter if the same question gets posted everyday.... that is why this forum is here"
Yes and not really... but, moving on...

"If you do not like the question, simply ignore it"
True...

"Who here has not asked a question that was probably asked/answered earlier?"
That's where you may not agree with me or others.
Believe it or not, a few years ago, this was a much more 'organized' space, for lack of a better word... You would not see the same questions posted 3 times a day. You would not see the simple questions that become overheated discussions which cause the thread to get pulled! So bad it get's pulled! That was UNHEARD of a few years ago.

We took a calmer pace about it, perhaps because there wasn't as much money involved.
We took joy in reading everyone else's post and answers, and learning this way, ourselves.
There was more respect and courtesy to others. To the thoughts of others, and to the time of others.
It was more like a support group, and not a free for all.

Posts and request/questions were answered precisely, by more than one person, so to share equally good, yet different experiences.
They were not used to show off, or irritate, or get hijacked to become something else, or expose someone.

There were no PERSONAL DISCUSSIONS between persons responding to the post! It was about the poster, not for the 'responder's to argue about each others opinions or beliefs.

Sure, one may say... this is a forum.. here for us to discuss what we want, how we want..
Yes, you can go around doing what, when, how, who, why you want.. and that's the way the world is the way it is today.

Maybe i'm just a tired, grumpy old man... lol

Should I even post this? So to get responses telling me what THEY think should be, or why i'm wrong to feel the way I feel?
and prove my case? let this thread get hijacked to something it was not about?

Weren't we talking about Boas at one time or another?!?!?!?
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

i have been to many sites, including the riobravoreptiles, and the only real difference i could come up with on my own would be the number of saddles. this is why i asked. not because i could not find the answer i wanted to make sure i accurately understood and interpeted(sp?) the information. some sites are also conflicting with what other sites say. my last intention was to upset anyone or make anyone believe that i just wanted answers without doing my homework. i just could be looking in the wrong places, websites for the answers, and figured this would be the placed to get a clear answer from one or many that has a lot more expeirence then i do at this time. thanks for the replies and your time.

it's great to hear you went through and looked at other sites and read up on this.. I am surprised that you have not learned any other differences..

Here are some..

Obviously, location.. this includes.. elevation, barrometric pressure, natural habitat, etc... This effects much more of the snakes life than one would think.

Appearance..
This includes a more square, narrower, higher, more solid look to bcc.. bci probably look more round in comparison.
Markins are usually much darker on bcc than bci.
A bcc's tail color red is like looking at a fire engine.
A bci's tail color red is liking looking at a tree in the fall... sure it 'looks' reddish.. but more brown, orange, black..
The head of a bcc is longer, more arrow shaped towards the front.
The tail saddles on a bcc are usually larger, longer, and more complete than that of a bci.
The belly of a bcc is usually much more speckled, darker, larger, black markings, unlike that of a bci.. would be smaller, less, lighter in color, etc...
BCC are known to grow longer.. with Peruvians probably being on record as some of the largest boas ever seen.. not uncommon in the 12-14' range..
BCI seldom reach those lengths, with the largest i've ever seen more like 10' long.

Care...
BCC tend to do better with a bit more humidity and sometimes higher temps.
BCI are more forgiving.
BCI are more 'domesticated', if you can think of it that way.
BCC owners tend to refer to them as more alert, curious, agile..
BCC may not be as hardy as bci in the feeding department.. and what I mean by this is that they can not tolerate being fed as frequently and as large a prey item as bci can, for the most part.
Example...
Feeding a baby bci one small mouse every 5 days would be fine, although considered a bit much, but will not likely harm the animal.
Feeding a bcc one small mouse every 5 days would likely lead to regurgitation, or having the animal pass the meal prematurely, not absorbing the proper nutritional value. This could lead to further illness, regurgitations, bouts of non-feeding, etc.

and then yes, the scale counts...

I could probably go on and on... but i think you get the point, and i do have to get back to work.

It would be nice to know your name riddick13, so i can address you correctly when responding to you in the future!

Thanks and take care, Joe Rollo - Bci Joe
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

Thank you for that info, that answered a couple of questions i had.

Christian

to come and learn from. You just educated more then one person, including me. Thanks Joe.

These are a Colombian Bci and a Surinam Bcc I had owned once..

-Joe

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

well i guess i've been looking at all the wrong sites. for weeks i've been tring to learn more and never read most of the information you provided on the sites i've found through google or ask jeeves. are there any sites in paticular you go to that provide better information then the sites i'm going to? thanks for the information, i'm sure you not only educated me but many more people that visit these forums then you'll ever know.
another question if you dont mind. you pointed out differences in size, which tpye gets the largest out of the boas (anacondas don't count) lol

bci joe i guess pretty much the only question you have not answered yet would be which came first the chicken or the egg?
lol

thank you again for your time

the reason i ask which gets largest after you said is i'm not sure if peru redtails are the same as peruvian red tails. i hope that really don't sound too stupid i'm trying to learn. for instance riobravo on the one page referred to sizes. if i'm not mistaken i read that peru redtails, suriname redtail, arcintine occidentalis the average size was approximately 1.9 meters. i do want a second redtail and i'm interested in a guyana or a suriname that i'll problem purchase at the Daytona Expo, thats the great thing about living in sunny florida. i just want to know what i'll be geting my self into if i get one of these that i'm interested in. thanks for your time

You could also find more information at www.boa constrictors.com.
That site also has a lot of infomation about B.c.c. and B.c.i. and there localites. I hope this is helpful. I just want to let you know I understand your pain. I have owned reptiles for 3 years now and I'm always learning something new. I seach the web when I have free time about reptile info and run across just alot of negitive press, news blogs etc. Just keep searching for more info and news, its apart of the hobby. Good luck.