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Shakey Snakey?

l0co Dec 02, 2005 03:35 PM

I've just introduced a ( -)80cm Corn snake into my terrarium, where I house my Albino corn of the same size. Neither of the snakes are sexed. They both seem a bit uptight, which I guess is normal for the beginning, but what I did find strange is that my albino will place the length of his body over the new snake, and give these fast little jerks with his body repeatedly. I'm not too worried, but if anyone could give me any insight as to why he is behaving this way, I'd appreciate it greatly.

By the way, the setup is: 80x30x40cm terrarium with terra cotta wood chips. I keep the temp at about 23c and there are ample hides on both the hot and cool sides.

Thanks in advance

l0co

Replies (16)

Dann Dec 02, 2005 04:19 PM

First a word of caution. Housing this species of snake together is not advised. It can stress them out. Plus, you may come home one night a see one well fed snake.

Your snake is displaying a mating reaction by pinning.

Dan

l0co Dec 02, 2005 04:57 PM

i have heared and read in many places that corn snakes are not cannibals and have no problems of keeping together...

most pet stores ive seen so far and personal breeders keep them together

and i believe they are too young to mate... they are both under a year old

l0co Dec 02, 2005 05:48 PM

please, if any of u know anything that might help me itll be greatly appreciated as i fear for my snakes :<

is there any indicator to breeding size and snakes age that i can look for and impart for u to give me more educated answers?

l0co Dec 02, 2005 05:50 PM

in the link is a picture of the new snake that my snow crawled his body length on top of
i dont have a picture of the snow
Link

l0co Dec 02, 2005 05:51 PM

if link doesnt work then this is the address

http://grm.m.walla.co.il/briefcase/00f3/1/2/1/2/1/3/@/@/@/@/@/@/@/@/@/@/@/@/@/@/@/@/@/@/@/r/200510182056449666/200510182058289792/DSC00814_resize.JPG
Image

l0co Dec 02, 2005 06:00 PM

i have just thought of something
could the snake in the picture be a rat snake and not a corn snake as i was told?
how can i tell the difference?

cochran Dec 04, 2005 01:17 PM

it does lack the typical head markings of a cornsnake.maybe it is a ratsnake.

phiber_optikx Dec 03, 2005 12:13 AM

That looks more like a black or texas rat (have never seen normal juvie texas rats)
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"

HAUS469 Dec 04, 2005 10:48 AM

I agree,that looks more like a Texas Rat to me.Im no expert,actually newbie........but I had a small wild caught Texas Rat that looked exactly like that.It was explained to me you can tell by the head.Corns have the pattern that goes up into a point.....and that rats are "bald" or kind of patternless except maybe a small blotch.Just opionion on what I have learned.To me,that may explain the behavior...because the rat I had was very "cocky".

Maybe someone else can agree or disagree if I am wrong.

cochran Dec 04, 2005 01:18 PM

i have to agree with you. jeff

draybar Dec 04, 2005 07:54 PM

But apparently I didn't.

That looks rat snake to me.
It does not look like an anery corn, which would be the alternative.
I haven't seen young Texas rats but although very close, I don't think grey or black.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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draybar Dec 02, 2005 06:14 PM

>>i have heared and read in many places that corn snakes are not cannibals and have no problems of keeping together...
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>>most pet stores ive seen so far and personal breeders keep them together
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>>and i believe they are too young to mate... they are both under a year old

The twitching is not only done at mating time.
It is also done when there is something a snake doesn't like.
When the snake is stressed.
I've seen it when a snake has been put in a new enclosure, I have seen it when a snake was intoduced to a new substrate,
I have seen it when snakes are put together to co-habitate and I've seen it when two males compete for a female and I have seen it a mating time, too, of course.

Ok having said that I will add this.

COHABITATION
MY OPINION

I feel it is best to keep snakes separate.
I know a lot of people keep multiple snakes together without problems and it can obviously be done without being detrimental to the snakes. I just feel the possible drawbacks need to be expressed.
When a person gets the experience and knowledge of each individual snake and wants to try co-habitation, it is up to them. They just need to be careful and able to read the subtle signs of their snakes.
There can be definite drawbacks.
If one snake becomes sick there is a very good likelihood the other/others will get sick as well.
It may also take a while (usually too long) to determine which one is the sick one.
If one regurgitates its food you won't know which one unless you happen to get lucky and see it.
If one has a problem stool you won't know which one. Once again one may have a problem but by the time you figure out which one the other/others could end up with the same problem.
Although this is only a slight possibility, it is still a possibility and has been know to happen, one snake could eat the other. The smell of a prey item could trigger one snake to eat the other. Or simple hunger accompanied by a ready food source.
Although uncommon, it has happened and is a possibility.
Another possibility is unwanted pregnancy. A female might get pregnant and you may not have the knowledge, desire or ability to incubate the eggs or raise the hatchlings. With hatchlings comes the responsibility to raise them or find them homes.
A lot of people rationalize by saying, "I will just put two males or two females together". That can work but mistakes can easily be made, especially with hatchlings. You could easily end up with a male and female.
There is also a chance of a female breeding too young or too small and becoming egg-bound. Although uncommon, it IS a possibility and can happen.
With multiple snakes in an enclosure you stand the chance of loosing all of them if there happens to be an avenue of escape. Instead of losing one you could loose two or more depending on how many you decide to place together.
One or both of the snakes could be stressed by the presence of the other. Stress can cause a drop in appetite and lead to other health problems as well.
People will put multiple snakes in an enclosure and ask why one isn't eating.
When they are told it is probably due to stress caused by the other snake, the response is almost always the same "they like each other, they are always under the same hide together". Well this probably just means "that" hide or area of the tank has the optimum conditions they are looking for.
Snakes do not LIKE each other or ENJOY each other’s company.
There is no capacity for snakes to "like" or "enjoy".
I have kept multiple snakes together without problems but have made a choice to keep them separate. There is NO clear argument on why you SHOULD keep them together but there ARE clear arguments as to why you SHOULD NOT.
So, in my opinion, although people do it successfully I just don't think it is worth the risk.
If you decide to keep multiple snakes together, watch closely for any signs of appetite loss, regurgitation or any kind of “personality” changes. These could all be signs of stress.
You would also want to feed them in separate containers and give them an hour or so before putting them back together.
My 2 cents

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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Dann Dec 02, 2005 06:41 PM

You asked for an explanation for the displayed behavior. I gave it to you. If you have access to other breeders ask them what there explanation would be for that displayed behavior. Find out what you have, species and sex.

Do not house the family Colubridae together. If you value your reptiles keep them separated until breeding season. Words of wisdom I receive many years ago…

Good luck…..

jammerz Dec 02, 2005 11:24 PM

I saw a pic online of 2 dead Corns. One had eaten the other of similar size. It could not digest it nor regurge it. Don't keep them together.

cochran Dec 04, 2005 01:14 PM

sounds to me like they may be trying to breed. jeff

l0co Dec 05, 2005 07:05 PM

thanks for all the replies and help

since then ive had a few enlightments myself

that snake is a texas rat snake.. for sure
i can now tell the diffrence between cor nadn rat with no problem.. either head pattern or checkers on belly if neither then rat

the cocky one was actually my male snow cute little snow :> i believe its a ruby speckled

anywayz i fell for it again recentley... apperantly Emoryi and Anery corn babies look the same except for the mentioned above tell-tale markings

shop salesman thought it was an anery even though hes an expert.. must have been high.. he looked like it lol
im gonna return it (or sell it to my sis friend) and gonna ask them to save me an anery corn when their eggs hatch in a couple of months

i know have 3 snakes - the snow, the grey rat which im returning and a new normal corn (i think, it does look diffrent then all the normal corns ive seen so far though its a baby so its colors may be strong enough to confuse) baby :>

gonna need a heating pad though cuz im running out of heating wire :

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