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I have seen this term used several times and I do not know where to find info. Thanks Andy

These are sables (obviously)

And I think these are the supers (someone correct me if I'm wrong)

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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.2 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

I actually think I'm wrong on the super sable picture - seems like they were more gold or something but I don't remember. Sorry - maybe someone else has a picture.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.2 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

Thanks Tasha, do you know what they produce? Also do you have any links for info? Those pics look like NERDS table....is that correct? Andy

OK here is for sure the super sable bad pict. tho - the sable which I posted previously is the co-dom version (think pastel/super pastel).

Yes that was NERDs table they were on - they own the super sable and I beleive were sharing the table with the guy who proved the sable (tho I'm a little sketching on the specifics).

Hope this helps.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.2 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

There were two produced last season..... They are a new type of co-dom mutation proven out by Eric Burkett up in Mass. We should see quite a few crosses this season and a couple more supers....... I got a breeder pair of sables and I am very excited to see what this season brings me...

This is my female sable... its a bad pic but she looks killer in person... enjoy

Raul

here's a Super.....

These look like a combo of granite, cinnamin, and ghost all wraped in one.

I just don't understand what you can make with these....or is that the final outcome? Thanks Andy

I beleive they were just proved this year - the Super is as far as this morph has gotten - knowing Kevin he'll probably work it into some spectacular morph crosses! We'll have to wait and see.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.2 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

Sables were proven in '03 and NOBODY believed me. In August, I hatched 2 Supers and EVERYBODY was shocked to say the least.

what, if any, crosses will be made. I'm gonna find out though. Got some ideas and can't wait to see the results.

n/p

They are awesome. There are sme great pics in Kevins new book with a description of the morph. These animals are going to make insane combos, cant wait to see what this season has in store for the sables. Everyone has always talked about a genetic hypermelanistic, well here it is.

"Everyone has always talked about a genetic hypermelanistic, well here it is."

Well..... I think the super cinnies/black pastels are as "hypermelanistic" as they can get. But, I get your point. As for the sables & super sables... just doesn't do it for me. To each its own, I guess.

Eric

well the super may be a hypermel but cinny and blacks are not hypermelanistic by any means. the sables are hypers in their co-dom state and enhanced in their super making it a true hyper. Kevin even said it in his new book it s the only known hyper to ever prove genetic. Its just wild that after all these years of "odd" balls coming in there hasnt been more. But finally a "true" hyper is proved to ad to te collection

That is true that the cinnies & black pastels are not hypermels. I was stating that in their super form, that's as hypermelanistic as you can get... the all black/dark brown bp.

I can't wait to get that book! Patience is a virtue... Patience is a virtue... Patience is a virtue...

Eric

are BROWN, NOT BLACK. At least the one I seen was Brown!!

"the all black/dark brown bp."

Please reread that part of the sentence! What does it say?

Eric

the word BLACK in there and it doesn't apply....

The two Super Cinnies I've seen in person were both black.
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Ryan Farris

NERD to pick up my book, I'll check his out. Last time I saw it, it was definately brown. I'll do some pic huntin' before I reply again.......

Okay, I guess the actual color would be called "espresso" if we want to be technical. I use "black/dark brown" to indicate that, although the snake is very dark brown, many people(even big breeders) often loosely describe it as a "black" bp.

Geez... must have hit a nerve since I mentioned that sables & super sables don't do a thing for me. Relax buddy... other people can have their own opinions and preferences..... they don't have to all agree with you and it's not personal.

Eric

Im not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone, but my personal opinoion "which yes we are all intitled to " is this.
Super Cinn and Super blacks are dark as babies, so dark that they be considered black, but almost all, or all that i am aware of and have seen as adults chocolate out as adults ad lose the dark almost black quality. Hypermelanistic - by definition means INCEASED melamin not solid black. A hypermel normally always has a pattern. In my opinion a super cinn or black is not a hyper.

I totally understand that some may not like them and im not saying they have to. I personaly think its an amaizing animal that is going to be even more amazing when combos come. It may not be a very attractive morph, but beleive me once you see them in person, and you get a look at those bellies and heads, you cant help but appreciate the animal for what it is. I also beleive that alot of big breeders like them, b/c it is a genetic hyper. Many have tried for years and never succeded in proven a "dark" snake. Its funny that your normal base morphs are ALBINO - AXANTHIC - GHOST(HYPO) - AND HYPERMEL. They show up in everything, turtles, snakes, geckos. I think its great that balls finally completed true basic morphs.

I get your point and I agree with you. I have always just considered the super cinnies and the super black pastels as animals with increased melanin... but yes, they do lack patterns, which the hypermelanistic bps have.

The hypermels are unique in their own right. I am curious to see what they do in combos. Should be interesting.

Eric