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LindaH Dec 07, 2005 04:23 AM

I took these group pics tonight, mostly experimenting with background fabric colors. Light colors make them look almost black.....especially with my point and click expertise This darker background shows how they really look - pretty much. They are getting lighter and kind of stripey. I imagine they will continue to fade out. They should start into their next shed pretty soon. One starting turning silvery one day and I thought, hmmmm....maybe a different color coming out??? However, the little stinker did another shed about two weeks after it's post-birth shed!

They're getting a little easier to tell apart now. The male has the light colored head and the female's heads are a darker shiney brown. Wonder if they'll end up very different looking from him? It'll be fun guessing!

Thanks for looking....



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Linda Hedgpeth
lindafh@frontiernet.net
Sierra Serpents

Replies (27)

ginebig Dec 07, 2005 06:07 AM

Linda, I don't mean to come off like an idiot, but what the heck are those???They look great. I love the irredesence.

Quig

robertmcphee Dec 07, 2005 07:04 AM

np

obz Dec 07, 2005 06:10 AM

What a wild and whacky gene.... They look awsome Linda!
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GainesReptiles Dec 07, 2005 08:05 AM

Those guys are really neat! I think all of us are going to enjoy watching how they change in appearance for years to come.

I do appreciate your sharing current photos and realistic descriptions of color, pattern, etc. I really get sick of hearing a bunch of hype about characteristics that can only be seen by one's imagination. You are pretty darn accurate, as best I can tell ... this honest representation will reward you well on down the road.

Got to run ... I am now down to less than 10 days before launching my new website.

gainesreptiles.com

bill@gainesreptiles.com

LindaH Dec 07, 2005 02:06 PM

Thank you for the nice compliments. Some coloring is really hard (for me) to photograph, especially when "one" doesn't know diddley-sqwat about lighting and camera settings. My Ghosts were absolutely the hardest I've ever done. Background color, the type/amount of lighting can really throw off their true coloring. I don't think I ever captured the true coloring of any of my Ghosts. I know someone like Celia or CE can do it. If my life ever slows down, I would love to take some classes.

With the SMs, I wanted to show people that they are not really black, which is how they looked right after birth. I don't care what color they turn out and if they stay in the brown/beige range, that's fine with me. The warm colors are my favorites. What I also wanted to show is how they are already starting to look airbrushed, with the dark flaking over the lighter base.

I don't know what they are doing or how they are doing it. The change is happening mostly these last two weeks - between sheds - not like they are shedding out to a new shade. I guess they are "losing pigmentation"??? in places, leaving the appearance of airbrushed flaking.

That's what I loved so much about their Uncle, the Purple Patternless. You couldn't see it as much in his pics, but when you held him under lights, it was truly awesome. He looked like a little creamy porcelain snake airbrushed in gradients of darker flaking.

I think these guys will do something similar. Perhaps not in purplish hues, but rather in browns. Although, the last time I saw the "PP" as a yearling, he had brown flaking over a creamy base, much like I think these will be as yearlings. I would love to see current pics of him.

What fascinates me is the WAY they are lightening up and how their outer skin looks transparent...like you can see into it. My pics don't show it well, if at all. But in the flesh, you can see it. None of my other boas have this and I've never seen it until now.

Enough rambling...
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Linda Hedgpeth
lindafh@frontiernet.net
Sierra Serpents

JohnLokken Dec 07, 2005 08:24 AM

Those Supers are looking awesome!! Great pics of them. Supers are just amazing.....I'd be looking at them for hours at a time.
Again, great job on those little ones! They are beautiful.
Also, thanks for keeping the pics of them coming. It is great seeing them develop.
John
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ajfreptiles Dec 07, 2005 08:25 AM

Linda, those look so amazing! They are so cute. Congrats again on those amzing animals. Thanks for sharing, Andy

ChrisGilbert Dec 07, 2005 08:30 AM

go with the paint idea
I really like the male's coloration, very silvery.

PBM Dec 07, 2005 08:56 AM

I REALLY like the close up shot....second to last I think it was. All the irridescence and the combined color looked very cool to me personally. Thanks for the updated pics. Take care

Paul

wetceal Dec 07, 2005 09:32 AM

Thank you for sharing those photos! I love group shots! I wished I still lived in California because I would definitely make the drive to check them out in person!

They remind me a lot of a kind of something inbetween the Silver Bullet Ball Pythons and the Super Cinnamon Ball Pythons. I like the coloration on the one (the male I think?) that is turning slightly lighter. It'll be very interesting to see how these guys change as they grow! Definitely keep us posted!

Thanks,
Celia
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Celia Chien
www.ExoticsByNature.com

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chris nicholas Dec 07, 2005 09:37 AM

Nice job!

gray Dec 07, 2005 10:34 AM

nm

davel Dec 07, 2005 10:44 AM

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Dave Lee

SevierSerpents Dec 07, 2005 12:45 PM

Is it possible to get any close up shots of the eyes? They are very unique. The only thing similar in a boa that I've seen are in Blood Boas.

Typically by evolution, if an animal is equipped with large solid black eyes, it has been genetically engineered for very low light living conditions.

Why this would come about in an animal that is not natively cave dwelling, nor deep sea dwelling, is beyond me. But still interesting, nonetheless.

- Liam Sevier

Sevier Serpents
Phoenix, AZ

LindaH Dec 07, 2005 01:08 PM

or next time, I'll be sure and get some eyeball shots. From a normal distance, their eyes remind me of my Leopard's eyes. The female's appear blacker than the male's, whose is more brown. Even with my glasses on, I cannot really make out the pupils.....and that's really squinting!
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Linda Hedgpeth
lindafh@frontiernet.net
Sierra Serpents

ChrisGilbert Dec 07, 2005 01:56 PM

Blood Boas, Leopard Boas, Super Motleys, Super Jungles, and some Het Leopards have solid color eyes. The pupil may be of a different color. The Blood's eyes are more red, I have a poss het Leopard with Rust-Black colored eyes, and my Leopard has the same but darker. The Super Jungles have Red eyes with black pupils, and the Super Motleys seem to have black eyes. Some Type II Anerys also have Black eyes.
And the Pewter (Blood Type II Anery) has Black eyes. I think eye color adds a special flare to morphs.

SevierSerpents Dec 07, 2005 02:34 PM

Totally agree that it adds flair. "Eye" appeal (no pun intended) definitely adds to overall desire. One of the things that I love about my DH Sharp Snows is that they have very silver eyes. Almost glowing bright.

I love the ominous look of these Super Motleys, with their black on black eyes.

LindaH Dec 07, 2005 03:02 PM

eyes too! Some Ghosts have the wildest eyes! That silvery white coloring, with maybe a few flecks shimmering, just draws you in, doesn't it?
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Linda Hedgpeth
lindafh@frontiernet.net
Sierra Serpents

LindaH Dec 07, 2005 01:00 PM

I only wish my camera skills were better. Celia, maybe someday when you come back for a visit with your family, we can arrange a photo session.

Although, I suppose I could take them to a regular studio photographer in town. Ahh....I can see and hear it now...

"Umm yes, I would like to make an appointment. Well, the subject isn't a person, it's actually three little brown snakes. Yes, snakes. Oh no, they're absolutely harmless. They're just tiny little babies. Hello? Hello?"

With Celia, I wouldn't have those problems

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Linda Hedgpeth
lindafh@frontiernet.net
Sierra Serpents

ginebig Dec 07, 2005 01:32 PM

LOLOL, that's funny. I can almost hear that conversation.

Quig

ChrisGilbert Dec 07, 2005 02:01 PM

when I was getting my Senior pictures for school taken I took in two of my boas. The Photographer actually said it was a common occurance, and was a great help with the pictures.

LindaH Dec 07, 2005 02:14 PM

and see if I get any takers. Susanville is a small town, so my "supply" will be limited. Maybe after I weed out all the "Eeeeeeuuuuuwwwwwww" and "Aacckkk, SNAKES!!" responses, if I'm lucky, I'll end up with one brave soul. We've got a couple of pros here who advertise animal photography. Maybe I'll try them first. All they can say is "Eeeeuuuuwwww", right?
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Linda Hedgpeth
lindafh@frontiernet.net
Sierra Serpents

SevierSerpents Dec 07, 2005 02:39 PM

I'll send a VERY professional wedding photographer (who caters to some of the largest, ritziest weddings in the CA/AZ area) out to take pics, flying out there on my dime, and paying for all the proofs....

in return for just ooooooone of these guys?

(hey, it was worth a shot...*shrug*)

PBM Dec 07, 2005 08:30 PM

Or Linda can just send one here, and I'll spend everyday perfecting my photo skills with it?!?!? LOL, take care

Paul

SevierSerpents Dec 08, 2005 10:02 AM

We sound like that bank lending company.

"We'll compete for your business!"

Can you see it now, Linda? The doorbell rings, you open the door and look through the screen to see a bunch of guys (and girls) standing there, ready to shake your hand?

"We'll compete for your Super Motleys!"

= P

lexxxx300 Dec 07, 2005 02:21 PM

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drimes Dec 07, 2005 06:54 PM

At first I wasn't sure if I liked the idea of a patternless boa, mostly because of my personal preferance for lots of color and contrast, but seeing the iridescence that those little cuties have has made me have to re-think this. I bet, in the right light, in person, they are almost like little rainbows.
Thanks again for sharing and enlightening me a little more.
Kathy

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