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Baby hognose not eating

ChaosCat Jul 23, 2003 05:50 PM

Its almost been a month and these two just won't eat-I've tried live, f/t-nothing.

I'm thinking its time to try toad-scent, but noplace sells toads here. Anyone know of a place to buy toad-scent online? I've only seen mouse and cricket-scent.

Or if anyone has any other ideas.. They aren't getting super skinny or anything, but everytime I try to feed them all the do is hiss and musk everything.

-cat
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Replies (10)

fantasy Jul 23, 2003 06:22 PM

I would most definately get a toad and scent. I have hogs that eat F/T for a while and will just stop feeding and will go a month or so without eating. Toad sent works every time. Once they smell it just a few seconds its down. Then i can wean them off scent reall easy and back to normal F/T. I usually catch my own around the house when I see them, but have bought from Glades Herpes before. you only need a couple and can freeze them and even reusue the same ones over and over.

good luck,

Matt
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Colchicine Jul 23, 2003 06:53 PM

Toad scenting is best accomplished using live toads. We keep about a half dozen in our collection and they are used to being hand fed. We show them a pinky and let them clamp on for a second. Apparently toad saliva is the best cuz we have had it work for us everytime! Just set up a toad or two up in a 10g tank, with some coconut fiber and dechlorinated water, and you have an endless supply of scent!
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fantasy Jul 24, 2003 08:39 AM

I thw them out a little, stick the pinking head in the mouth of the toad and its on.

ChaosCat Jul 30, 2003 04:22 PM

>>Toad scenting is best accomplished using live toads. We keep about a half dozen in our collection and they are used to being hand fed. We show them a pinky and let them clamp on for a second. Apparently toad saliva is the best cuz we have had it work for us everytime! Just set up a toad or two up in a 10g tank, with some coconut fiber and dechlorinated water, and you have an endless supply of scent!
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>>*Humans aren't the only species on earth... we just act like it.
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>>".the oldest task in human history: to live on a piece of land without
>> spoiling it."
>> Aldo Leopold (1938)

I'm going to try that lizard scent stuff first before adding a toad to my collection. Hopefully lizard scent works

-cat
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masgio Jul 23, 2003 09:12 PM

I couldn't find toad in my area as well.
So I bought two large green tree frogs from the pet store.
Made a slurry by blending them with a little bit of water.
Froze them for a couple of weeks before use to get rid of bacteria.

When it's time for use, I would chip the frozen slurry a little bit just enough to put on the mouse's head. This would last me for a year.

I used to freeze the whole frog and thaw them for scenting.
But, after a month of freezing and thawing, they lost their "charm".

The key here is to use just enough without thawing the whole concoction.

Good luck.

chrish Jul 24, 2003 10:41 AM

Cat,

I have found that young hogs can often be tricked into taking the "wrong" food item by getting them excited with the preferred food item. This often works with snakes that refuse pinks scented by the normal method.

It generally works like this....

1. find a small specimen of an acceptable food item. For a western hog, a frog or toad seems to work just fine.

2. Take that small food item and put it in a small container and rub it around the container to really get some scent in there.

3. Put the hog in the container for a few minutes. This will pique their attention.

4. The take the preferred food item and rub it on the head of a pinkie to get the pinkie scented.

5. Now the bait....take the preferred food item and dangle/twitch it in front of the snake slowly. Usually the little snakes will hiss once or twice but then start tongue flicking.

6. Once the snake starts approaching the food item, slowly move it away and let the snake follow. Some hogs will start chasing it around with their mouths open at this point.

7. Quickly substitute the prescented pinkie and don't move. If the snake is in chase mode, they will often simply grab it and start eating.

This doesn't work with all young hogs, but it is a good technique to try.

I have also had good luck "start feeding" baby hogs if they will play dead. I get a baby hog to play dead and the put the head of a pinkie in their mouths while they are dead. The trick is to get it back into the opening to their throat (which appears to be some sort of critical threshold). Then leave them completely alone while they "come to". It is better if you leave the room. Many times when they come around, they just swallow the pinkie rather than spit it out.

Be patient. I have a wild caught yearling male kennerlyi that I collected in May that just took his first pinkie last week. It was just a case of waiting for him to be hungry enough to try something new I guess?
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colby Jul 25, 2003 02:17 AM

make sure they are well hydrated. I've noticed the hognose I have refuse food if they are thirsty.
I had some babies last year that were non feeders and didn't have toad. I just run hot water directly over the fuzzy or pink and put it in a small container with the snake overnight (don't touch the food with your fingers use tweezers or something) and it seems to work most of the time.

famousbruce Jul 25, 2003 08:18 AM

Have you tried holding a pinkie with chopsticks and gently rubbing the pinkie against your snake's mouth. They usually then go for it.

ChaosCat Aug 11, 2003 02:22 PM

>>Have you tried holding a pinkie with chopsticks and gently rubbing the pinkie against your snake's mouth. They usually then go for it.

Yep, tried that too. All they do is hiss and run away.
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bambambros Jul 30, 2003 01:38 PM

Small baitfish (shiners) will also work. I had to keep mine on these for several months until it finally switched over. This was a bit easier than keeping toads. Hope it helps.

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