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What exactly is a "plasma" corn?
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

Episkiastic lavender = "plasma"

Not so sure I see the connection between the name and the snake, but to each his own, I suppose.

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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

I am right there with you.... I ran across quite a few names I have never heard of.... Ice, Pepper, Phantom, and Sulfer. it's all news to me!
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"

Plasma - Lavender Bloodred
Ice - Lava AneryA
Pepper - (similar to granite, I think... aneryA blood)
Phantom - Charcoal Ghost
Sulfur - Caramel Bloodred (or is it Butter Bloodred?)

-Kat
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cant get that corn out of my head...im going to make plasmas,pewters,opals and sell them for BIG BUCKS! more picks of the plasma please!

You said that you were gonna breed and make those morphs of corns you listed to sell for "big bucks". Is that the only reason why you want to for the money, because i think you should only breed for the enjoyment of bringing a snake into the world in your own home not just to sell but to learn and enjoy it. So i think you should have worded that better because it isnt about the money with snakes, its about the education and the money is just a tiny bonus of it all. Sorry if i offended you or anyone.
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Cameron

candb yeah breeding is fun but its all about making money. thats why theres a lot of morphs at our disposal. they look great and will make money. im not breeding for the joy or fun ill breed for money like every other breeder does. yes the proces will be fun but it will be funner to make more money.

Well I hate to be the bearer(sp?) of bad news, but there is no money in corns.... I think Don has about 7000 breeders and I am sure he is well off. But if you are expecting your snakes to make your house payment just remember that you won't get any babies unless you put a roof over their head first.
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"

I'd be the only one "in the black" between the two of us!

I am a very small time breeder, but I have done it long enough now to be VERY efficient at it, and I only make enough to pay for my snakes and my golf each year.

And, I count myself fortunate for that much profit!

If you're looking to make it big in corns...you're in for a nasty disappointment, I'm afraid.
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

I'm afraid I have to agree with Darin. You're unlikely to make money, let alone big bucks, by breeding cornsnakes. Even the most expensive corns are only expensive because they're the newest morph. As soon as they've been around a few years (or the number of people willing to pay $$ to be the first to own something runs out), the price drops dramatically. And you can bet that if someone's paying top dollar for a new morph, they're buying it from one of the Big Three.

That having been said, don't let me discourage you from breeding your snakes. Cornsnake breeding is a fun hobby and can be quite educational as well.

If you want pics of Plasmas, you'd better check out Rich Z's site. He's the only breeder I know of who has any adults...

-Kat
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im 15 i dont have to pay rent or whatever. thats why im going to make big bucks. i will be in school and selling corn babies for money. not only here on kingsnake but outside of my home or at my school when they have back sales. YOU may not make money because you have to pay rent,gas,electric,whatever but i will. all i have to do is make my dad buy me some recesives and make double recessives then sell them at school bake sales,basketball games,football games and outside of my house. with that said im going to be making big bucks.

>>im 15 i dont have to pay rent or whatever. thats why im going to make big bucks. i will be in school and selling corn babies for money. not only here on kingsnake but outside of my home or at my school when they have back sales. YOU may not make money because you have to pay rent,gas,electric,whatever but i will. all i have to do is make my dad buy me some recesives and make double recessives then sell them at school bake sales,basketball games,football games and outside of my house. with that said im going to be making big bucks.

15 or not. Home or not.
If you buy the high end morphs and let them grow to breeding size, breed them and then try to sell the babies the price will probably be at least half what you paid for yours.
Then of course you have to have a market.
Lets just say you breed some hypo lavs and place them up for sale at market prices, and then you have Rich, Don, Kath, Stephen, Darin, Kat, Carol, Connie or any of the other establisehd names producing the smae snakes for the same price. Who do you think people are going to buy from?
15 year old "Joe Blow" or a name they know?
Obviously it will be a name they know.
In order to get your neighborhood and school buddies to buy from you, you will have to lower prices down to what they are willing to pay.
Either that or end up with a lot of snakes you can't get rid of.
Now, if you think you will set up some kind of deal with a local pet store you are in for an even more drastic drop in price. They don't care from hypo lav to nromal. If they can't get it dirt cheap to make a 300% profit they don't want it.
So, enjoy your snakes, enjoy the experience of breeding and have fun because you are not going to get rich by any stretch of the imagination.
I did happen to make enough this season to pay for mice for the year and add a couple of snakes to my collection, which to me was wonderful, but I know I will never make big bucks or be able to go out and buy a Hummer on snake profit....lol

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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>>>>im 15 i dont have to pay rent or whatever. thats why im going to make big bucks. i will be in school and selling corn babies for money. not only here on kingsnake but outside of my home or at my school when they have back sales. YOU may not make money because you have to pay rent,gas,electric,whatever but i will. all i have to do is make my dad buy me some recesives and make double recessives then sell them at school bake sales,basketball games,football games and outside of my house. with that said im going to be making big bucks.
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>>15 or not. Home or not.
>>If you buy the high end morphs and let them grow to breeding size, breed them and then try to sell the babies the price will probably be at least half what you paid for yours.
>>Then of course you have to have a market.
>>Lets just say you breed some hypo lavs and place them up for sale at market prices, and then you have Rich, Don, Kath, Stephen, Darin, Kat, Carol, Connie or any of the other establisehd names producing the smae snakes for the same price. Who do you think people are going to buy from?
>>15 year old "Joe Blow" or a name they know?
>>Obviously it will be a name they know.
>>In order to get your neighborhood and school buddies to buy from you, you will have to lower prices down to what they are willing to pay.
>>Either that or end up with a lot of snakes you can't get rid of.
>>Now, if you think you will set up some kind of deal with a local pet store you are in for an even more drastic drop in price. They don't care from hypo lav to nromal. If they can't get it dirt cheap to make a 300% profit they don't want it.
>>So, enjoy your snakes, enjoy the experience of breeding and have fun because you are not going to get rich by any stretch of the imagination.
>>I did happen to make enough this season to pay for mice for the year and add a couple of snakes to my collection, which to me was wonderful, but I know I will never make big bucks or be able to go out and buy a Hummer on snake profit....lol
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>>Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
>>"resistance is futile"
>>Jimmy (draybar)
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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when you think about it im not going to be spending ANYTHING. i dont know what you dont get about that... i wont have to spend anything so theres not breaking even or anything like that. ill make plasmas,blizards,ice,sulfers and sel them for 50 bucks at school or even lower. my dad could put them up on king snake with 3 or 4 pics for each snake. sell them for 30 bucks and give that money to me. who wil they want more? MY snakes that cost a fourth of what the big breeders cost or a big breeders that cost 300 plus shiping? like i said im going to be making big bucks to spend on clothes,games,other things. no one said anything about geting rich just free money.

Seriously dude they will still buy from the expert breeder. You dont realize you are a little kid and your talking pathetically, im sorry but its true. You need to buy food, whats your daddy gonna buy it all for you, well im sorry but it isnt that easy just to make the snakes you listed. Id like to see any parent give there kid 1000's of dollars to start a breeding project, because thats what its going to cost you with cages and equipment and snakes. I feel bad for the snakes that you get or own.

You need to think realisticly.
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Cameron

If somebody see's those morphs posted for $50 I guarantee nobody will buy them. People don't trust those types of adds for good reasons. Also, good luck with your little experiment. I am sorry that it is guaranteed to blow up in your face......
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"

All I can say is I am glad my kids are not as materialistic as you are. Money isn't everything and everything isn't money. I have been in the Army for 14 years nad been to combat for 3 of those. What did I learn from all of it? There are more important things in life than money like kissing your children goodnight and being home for their 4th birthday party. Relax and try to enjoy your animals for what they are, not what they can make you. And like everyone else has stated, even if you did have all of these morphs, I wouldn't buy them from you because of your behavior on this forum. I dont see Don, Kathy, or Rich on this website bragging about how many snakes they sold this year or how much money they make because even at their level its usually not enough to brag about. What I am trying to say is, tone it down son. I am happy you are excited about breeding corns but stop using your parents as a bank and treat them and your animals with respect.

You're 15, right? Which means you're probably a highschool freshman, sophmore, or possibly in your last year of middle school.

If you buy hatchlings, you have 2-3 years of raising them up to do before you can breed HETs. Then, you have 2-3 years of raising the HETs before you can breed the double recessive morphs. Guess what? You'll be out of highschool by then.

Even if you buy adults of the single recessives, you'll still have 2-3 years of raising the normals het for blah and blah2 before you can get a chance of breeding the double recessives. Note I said -CHANCE-. Just because the progeny predictor says you'll get a 1/16 ratio of the double recessive doesn't mean that 1/16th of your clutch is guaranteed to be the morph. It means that each egg has a 1 in 16 chance of being that double recessive. It's like rolling dice.

Oh... and did I mention that any money you earn will not be FREE? I have somewhere around 50 cornsnakes, ranging from hatchling to adult breeder in age/size. I spend atleast 6 hours a week on cleaning cages and feeding snakes. And I don't even raise my own mice. Are you going to tell your friends you can't go hang out with them because you've got cages to clean?

Raising cornsnakes up isn't 100% easy, either. Some die for no good reason. They will also die from neglect. Disease can wreck a colony and run you up quite a few vet bills. Even if you keep a closed colony, that doesn't prevent you from having the occasional vet issue. Then there's the matter of breeding. Egg incubation isn't as simple as it sounds. Get it wrong, and you've got a pile of kinklings at best, and a mess of moldy eggs that never hatch at worst.

And let's say you did get some hatchlings in time to sell at school... Do you really think the teachers are going to allow you to sell animals (let alone 'creepy' snakes) at school or on school property?

Yes, I'm trying to burst your bubble. You are too idealistic and unrealistic about your expectations.

-Kat
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I was thinking the same thing. Uberkid had mentioned making lots of money before and it kinda made me wince. It didn't seem like he had the right idea. Not to say thins is the way you are Uberkid, but most people who talk like that are not concerned for the animals well being. Hope it is not true in your case, and what you said just came accross wrong

>>Plasma - Lavender Bloodred
>>Ice - Lava AneryA
>>Pepper - (similar to granite, I think... aneryA blood)
>>Phantom - Charcoal Ghost
>>Sulfur - Caramel Bloodred (or is it Butter Bloodred?)
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>>-Kat
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>>This Space For Rent

Goodness! Yet another reason why my wife dislikes my new hobby. Perhaps I should get a couple more and forsake the internet (and therefore temptation) forever!?
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3 Corns - Squall (Normal), Freya (Normal), Peyton (Amel)
2 Florida Kings - Thor & Lilith
1 Leucistic Texas Rat Snake - MacLeod

Every snake I own aside from my first is an impulse buy.... But I love them all. BTW can we get some pics of the afore mentioned morphs? pepper, sulfer, etc...
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"