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Another perspective on the python vs. gator subject....just my 2 cents

metaldad904 Dec 14, 2005 02:14 PM

Hi all,

I've been reading through this forum the past fews and have found the python vs gator debate to be quite interesting. Both sides have really good points and i just thought about throwing something else out there. I don't know if any of ya'll have bigger snakes or have handled them, etc so forgive me if i sound like a know-it-all or anything, that's not my intention, i just wanted to discuss this.

One thing that i noticed nobody has taken account for, Burmese Pythons are not aquatic and not known to be prone to water. Well, the everglades is one big damn swamp. The alligators are used to this environment and are great swimmers. I'm not taking anything away from the Burmese, they are amazing snakes and need to be respected for their size and sheer power. I just can't help but think that this particular kind of snake will have a hard time with an alligator in the water just b/c it's not really used to swimming a lot, let alone fighting an opponent capable of holding it's breath for a pretty long time and having the jaw power that it does. I still think it would be a pretty even-matched fight where the victor would all depend on the given situation (how it started, who got the first bite in, the size of each animal).

Now on to my other thought. What if the scenario was the same, except instead of a Burmese, a Green Anaconda. To me, that would make it a whole different world of who the victor would be. Anacondas are mainly aquatic, spending most of their time in shallow banks and swimming with the river current to different locations. They hunt very similar to the way an crocodilians do. They keep the head just barely above water, just enough to see what's going on and sneak up on their prey while they are taking a drink, then they pull them into the water and drown'em. The big difference to me is, Anaconda are much more fearsome than a Burmese. They are used to facing off with animals that can fight back. They're natural prey are caimans, Jaguars, and many other larger, more formidable prey items. Also something that not a lot of people know about anacondas is that they bite differently than most other snakes. They are what is sometimes referred to as "side-biters" they can not only strike in a forward motion, but they will also turn completely around, even if something has a hold of them pretty close to the head, and will bite the hell out of whatever it is. They are much quicker to fight back than most other species and bite multiple times instead of one. I'm not saying my argument is full-proof or anything, just another viewpoint. To me, if a 6 foot alligator attacked a 13 foot anaconda, u'd have one dead alligator and one full anaconda. They are so much like alligators in they're behavior....aquatic, extremely fast reflexes, style of hunting, and the fact that they are accustomed to facing off with animals like that. A full-grown caiman isn't that much different than a 6 foot alligator and anaconda's eat them all the time. I have an anaconda of my own, and speaking from experience, they are not ones to underestimate....ever. I've handles many different snakes, including every single one of the bigger variety (burmese, rock, retic, condas, etc.) and anacondas to me are by far the ones you don't ever wanna piss off. This is just my 2 cents, this is not to put alligators down or anything, i just thought this was a different scenario to consider and would be interesting to discuss.

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goini04 Dec 14, 2005 02:28 PM

Hi,

Personally, I think that an Anaconda is a totally different issue. While still yet another large constrictor, they naturally will hunt crocodilians as well as any other large prey item as food. When it comes to Anaconda vs. Alligator, personally I think the tables could turn either way. However, I agree that in the event of a simple "battle" that the Anaconda would have a major advantage over the alligator. While the alligator has very strong jaws and is quick, in my opinion, an Anaconda is quicker. Furthermore, the Anaconda is able to attack from positions that an alligator wouldnt even dream of. Personally, I think that any anaconda that is big enough to ingest a 6' alligator, there is far more snake than there is alligator. Both species are at home in the water, but the Anaconda has a MAJOR advantage. Unless the gator's first shot is a snap down on the snakes head, I personally think that the alligator would be in a world of trouble.

JMO,

Chris

>>Hi all,
>>
>>I've been reading through this forum the past fews and have found the python vs gator debate to be quite interesting. Both sides have really good points and i just thought about throwing something else out there. I don't know if any of ya'll have bigger snakes or have handled them, etc so forgive me if i sound like a know-it-all or anything, that's not my intention, i just wanted to discuss this.
>>
>>One thing that i noticed nobody has taken account for, Burmese Pythons are not aquatic and not known to be prone to water. Well, the everglades is one big damn swamp. The alligators are used to this environment and are great swimmers. I'm not taking anything away from the Burmese, they are amazing snakes and need to be respected for their size and sheer power. I just can't help but think that this particular kind of snake will have a hard time with an alligator in the water just b/c it's not really used to swimming a lot, let alone fighting an opponent capable of holding it's breath for a pretty long time and having the jaw power that it does. I still think it would be a pretty even-matched fight where the victor would all depend on the given situation (how it started, who got the first bite in, the size of each animal).
>>
>>Now on to my other thought. What if the scenario was the same, except instead of a Burmese, a Green Anaconda. To me, that would make it a whole different world of who the victor would be. Anacondas are mainly aquatic, spending most of their time in shallow banks and swimming with the river current to different locations. They hunt very similar to the way an crocodilians do. They keep the head just barely above water, just enough to see what's going on and sneak up on their prey while they are taking a drink, then they pull them into the water and drown'em. The big difference to me is, Anaconda are much more fearsome than a Burmese. They are used to facing off with animals that can fight back. They're natural prey are caimans, Jaguars, and many other larger, more formidable prey items. Also something that not a lot of people know about anacondas is that they bite differently than most other snakes. They are what is sometimes referred to as "side-biters" they can not only strike in a forward motion, but they will also turn completely around, even if something has a hold of them pretty close to the head, and will bite the hell out of whatever it is. They are much quicker to fight back than most other species and bite multiple times instead of one. I'm not saying my argument is full-proof or anything, just another viewpoint. To me, if a 6 foot alligator attacked a 13 foot anaconda, u'd have one dead alligator and one full anaconda. They are so much like alligators in they're behavior....aquatic, extremely fast reflexes, style of hunting, and the fact that they are accustomed to facing off with animals like that. A full-grown caiman isn't that much different than a 6 foot alligator and anaconda's eat them all the time. I have an anaconda of my own, and speaking from experience, they are not ones to underestimate....ever. I've handles many different snakes, including every single one of the bigger variety (burmese, rock, retic, condas, etc.) and anacondas to me are by far the ones you don't ever wanna piss off. This is just my 2 cents, this is not to put alligators down or anything, i just thought this was a different scenario to consider and would be interesting to discuss.
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metaldad904 Dec 14, 2005 02:49 PM

Found this pic, thought i'd throw it in here.

goini04 Dec 14, 2005 03:04 PM

>>Found this pic, thought i'd throw it in here.
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goini04 Dec 14, 2005 03:05 PM

"Cool yellow Conda, I would hate to have been that caiman".

Chris

>>>>Found this pic, thought i'd throw it in here.
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metaldad904 Dec 14, 2005 03:09 PM

me too, poor thing didn't stand a chance. The funny thing to me is that that's just a yellow. They don't even get that big compared to greens. For some reason this whole debate and all sounds like it would be kind of a fun fighting video game lol. Be able to pick between different deadly animals and pit them against each other in mortal kombat lol......be kinda funny. i think i'd at least rent it lol

Bill Moss Dec 15, 2005 09:49 PM

You need to see if you can find some of the old Frank Buck movies from the 30's. One of them had a very memorable fight between a lion (or was it a tiger?) and a large retic. As I recall it ended as a draw, but it was very impressive.
Even though I don't care for the combat that was set up, it should be required viewing for anyone who thinks they can get away from a large constrictor once it has hold of them.

canadianherper04 Dec 16, 2005 07:51 AM

Here are videos from Korea of the same idea (I found them quite disturbing as the animals seemed reluctant to fight):

Tiger vs. Lion (captivity)

http://videos.caught-on-video.com/Player.aspx?fileid=9EA765FD-367C-4E8D-902B-5D70FFEFB5BE&kw=137&p=0

Tiger vs. Bear (captivity)

http://videos.caught-on-video.com/Player.aspx?fileid=49653D55-434F-40F0-9CCD-3140971AD623&kw=137&p=0

Tiger vs. Crocodile (captivity?)

http://videos.caught-on-video.com/Player.aspx?fileid=8370146B-3301-4EA5-9874-6212E3F21E65&kw=137&p=0

Anaconda vs. caiman (in the wild)

http://videos.caught-on-video.com/Player.aspx?fileid=62C1237B-733A-4B21-A49B-38E7A08DE10B&kw=137&p=0

metaldad904 Dec 16, 2005 09:16 AM

I just wanted to clarify that i, in no way would ever want to see this happen (putting 2 animals together in order to have them fight), i just enjoy talking about the hypotheticals of what might happen if the 2 were 2 meet in the wild. I keep getting the feeling ya'll think i'd wanna stick a couple of creatures in a cage and watch'em go at it. That would be cruel, and so were those videos in Korea. I just find the discussion to be interesting.

--Jason

joeysgreen Dec 17, 2005 04:56 AM

Look at the facial patturn, the size, and the spots...

The green can vary a lot, and I think the "yellow" seen is a mix of genetics, camera light, and the snake being on it's side. The rest of the snake looks pretty green to me.

Ian

goini04 Dec 17, 2005 07:59 AM

I personally thought that as well at first, mainly because of the size of the specimen, but looking at the coloration, etc....I kinda changed my mind. Thanks for the clarification!

Best Wishes,

Chris

>>Look at the facial patturn, the size, and the spots...
>>
>>The green can vary a lot, and I think the "yellow" seen is a mix of genetics, camera light, and the snake being on it's side. The rest of the snake looks pretty green to me.
>>
>>Ian
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