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Which corn snake (non rat snake) is known for reaching the largest size or lenght?
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Like I said; I`m Gonna Getcha Good!

Corn snakes are all the same species. As far as morphs go, there are some references in literature that the Okeetee gets bigger than other types. I don't know where I remember reading this. It also seems that captive bred mutations don't generally attain the maximum sizes as their wild counterpoints (this is simply my observation, I do not know if there's any documentation to back this up). Therefore, the "wild" morph gets the biggest.

Old books will say corns can get to 5-6 feet in the wild. Captive bred adult corn snakes are usually 3-1/2 to 4 feet.

Tim

Third Eye

I too have heard of the okeetee being larger. But just out of curiosity, doesn't the emoryi get larger? Thereby making the creamsikle the larger? This is just a guess I have no proof of this.
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"

>>I too have heard of the okeetee being larger. But just out of curiosity, doesn't the emoryi get larger? Thereby making the creamsikle the larger? This is just a guess I have no proof of this.
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>>0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
>>1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
>>1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
>>.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
>>0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"

Is there a difference in size between the males and females? Does on sex grow longer than the other?
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Like I said; I`m Gonna Getcha Good!

>>>>I too have heard of the okeetee being larger. But just out of curiosity, doesn't the emoryi get larger? Thereby making the creamsikle the larger? This is just a guess I have no proof of this.
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I don't know if I would narrow it down to the okeetee, I would probably go more towards what Tim said and lean towards the "wild" types.
Of all the really largest corns I have seen it seems as if most are "normals.
I do not think Great Plains rats get larger on average then corns.
But, this is realative.
In larger do me longest or thickest.
I would say that corns on the average get longer them GPR's but I would also venture to say that for a cmparative length GPR's probably have a little more girth.
As far as my creamsicles go, they seem to be about the same average lengths for age as my true corns.
My four largest corns are all males with an okeetee, ghost, anery and motley creamsicle all being about the same size, or close, at a little over 4 ft. They are all '02's.
I have an '01 female cream that is maybe 42 inches or so and I have a female '02 snow that is only about 36 inches.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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n/t

Corn snakes and rat snakes are different species. Corns belong to the species guttata, while rats are of the species obsoleta, bairdii, vulpina etc.

Everything you read regards the Corn as a "Red Rat Snake".

for example...

http://www.barronseduc.com/0764134078.html

Walt

Calling it a "red rat snake" does not change its scientific designation. A seahorse is not a horse, a starfish is not a fish, a glass snake is not a snake, a meadowlark is not a lark, a mountain ash is not an ash, a mudpuppy is not a dirty infant canine and a red rat snake is not a rat snake.

Common names can be misleading.

>>Calling it a "red rat snake" does not change its scientific designation. A seahorse is not a horse, a starfish is not a fish, a glass snake is not a snake, a meadowlark is not a lark, a mountain ash is not an ash, a mudpuppy is not a dirty infant canine and a red rat snake is not a rat snake.
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>>Common names can be misleading.

Tim,
This has got to be one of the best answers I have read on these forums in a while.
Perfect!
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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>>Corn snakes and rat snakes are different species. Corns belong to the species guttata, while rats are of the species obsoleta, bairdii, vulpina etc.

If obsoleta, bairdi, vulpina, etc, are species of ratsnakes (Elaphe/Pantherophis, etc.), what is guttata a species of??

TC

Yes they are both pantherophis but they are separate species.
The black rats are the largest of the pantherophis easily reaching over six feet and it is not uncommon for them to reach seven or eight feet.
That is why the separation was asked for in the original question.
Which corns are largest...NOT which pantherophis are largest.
By the way
They are of the same family, colubridae
same genus pantherophis
but different species
corns are guttatus
rats fall into obsoletus, vulpinus, bairdi and emoryi and I'm not sure what others without looking it up.
but the point is, same genus different species. Definite difference in size, which is the main question anyway.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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