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my apoligies to any and all who are offended by these pics that are showing the true nature of the kingsnake


thanks for looKING

Nice photos but I was wondering if you have any pictures of my favorite kings? Post as many as you can so I can compare. Thanks.

right now and here he is, "BRUNO"(old pic from last year)

Just picked up this guy a couple of weeks ago from Exotic Pets out of Las Vegas. An excellent king.

Steve

Awesome animals you guys got there! I'll be buying some more this month or spring of next year. Anyway thanks for the pictures!

Is the a Cali King he is eating?

Miller
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1.1 Florida King ('02 Pit & '00 Pearl)
1.1 Eastern Kings (2004 Orca & Sugar Pie)
1.0 Black Milksnake (2005 Bubba)
1.0 Chow Chow (2003 Papi)
0.2 Cats (Stella and Shug)

Yes, and i tried to save it but Butch would'nt give it up, he wolfed the little guy down so fast there was nothing i could do.

Keep them so next week when the next kid comes in asking if he can keep his brooks and cali's together you can show him that picture and he will think twice.

have kept kings together for years without any probs,BUT, the kings were always about the same size, when there's a major size difference is when the trouble begins, then again it prolly depends the king, Butch for example is extremely aggressive with a very strong feeding response, iv'e only fed him mice and he ate the cal, but i have no doubt he'd try to eat just about any vertebrate that he thought he could overpower.

I tried to feed Orca a rescued Ribbon snake the eventually died. I froze if for a few weeks then offered it, he wanted nothing to do with it. Actally, i could not get any of my kings to eat it.

Miller
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1.1 Florida King ('02 Pit & '00 Pearl)
1.1 Eastern Kings (2004 Orca & Sugar Pie)
1.0 Black Milksnake (2005 Bubba)
1.0 Chow Chow (2003 Papi)
0.2 Cats (Stella and Shug)

And I've met people that put there cali's with easterns and there was a marginal size difference that ended fatal for the cali. I guess everyone has there own experiences though. Now on to the question Jetzen which get bigger Florida's or "brooksi"? I know there the same snakes now but different phases but I want to know before I purchase a floridana that it will get big as brooksi. I was going to make a new topic but heck since we're talking about brooksi...

there's lots of floridana/"brooksi" experts on this forum all the time let's start a new thread.

there must have been something peculiar about the ribbon, snakes never cease to amaze me.

...yea. I even tried to wiggle it. It live for about a week, it had a small lump that I thought was food but never went down. Someone on the forum said that kings will refuse ribbons (due to the smell), I thought that was strange but what do I know!

Miller
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1.1 Florida King ('02 Pit & '00 Pearl)
1.1 Eastern Kings (2004 Orca & Sugar Pie)
1.0 Black Milksnake (2005 Bubba)
1.0 Chow Chow (2003 Papi)
0.2 Cats (Stella and Shug)

You know now that you mention it i've heard that too, but i seen cals tear up garters and wolf em down in two shakes of a lambs tail, i always thought ribbons were a type of garter because they share the same genus, oh-well who knows?

My speck will tackle ribbons...even the largest, con mucho gusto!
Todd Hughes

I've realized the same thing.

You stated this before about the ribbon, correct?

I remember reading about it, or something like it. When I lost a bunch of snakes to crypto, they were pretty much being put in a plastic bag, and into the freezer after death.

Those same snakes would then be thawed out... And a snake that would normally jump at any other snake, would crawl away.

Repeated trials with several different predator species make me believe nothing other than the snakes can sense crypto and know to back off.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.freewebs.com/mikesnake
www.freewebs.com/badyear2005

i have never lost a snake to illness but someone warned me that the ribbon could have had crypto. But I really think the snake died from an injury sustained during capture by a co-workers husband. I know people will frown on this but I would like to test the theory of kings (at least my Easterns and Flordas passing on ribbon snakes. Obvioulsy with a captive bred ribbon. But they are so cute I probably would not have the heart to do it.

Miller
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1.1 Florida King ('02 Pit & '00 Pearl)
1.1 Eastern Kings (2004 Orca & Sugar Pie)
1.0 Black Milksnake (2005 Bubba)
1.0 Chow Chow (2003 Papi)
0.2 Cats (Stella and Shug)

It live for about a week, it had a small lump that I thought was food but never went down.

Really. Hmm. Imagine that, that's how I described my first 10 snakes that caught crypto.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.freewebs.com/mikesnake
www.freewebs.com/badyear2005

..hmmm, I should start memorizing your post! lololol Just kidding, good to know what to look for. My collection is very small and the ribbon was the on wild caught animal ever introduced. What exacly is crypto and are there any websites with information?

Miller
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1.1 Florida King ('02 Pit & '00 Pearl)
1.1 Eastern Kings (2004 Orca & Sugar Pie)
1.0 Black Milksnake (2005 Bubba)
1.0 Chow Chow (2003 Papi)
0.2 Cats (Stella and Shug)

There are some posts around about crypto...

Look at the "badyear2005" link in my signature... you'll see what crypto did to my collection.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.freewebs.com/mikesnake
www.freewebs.com/badyear2005

Mike, I really hate to say this, and I don't mean it in a malicious way. I've been working with herps for almost 15 years and still haven't totaled the losses and escapes you've had. That's not to say that I haven't had my share. I think that you really need to sit down and rethink your husbandry plan and stick to it. Quarantining and disinfecting cages goes a long way. I clean my rack boxes with water and bleach mixture and allow them to thoroughly dry before use again, even by the same animal. This might not have completely prevented your Cryptosporidium outbrake, but could have help prevent the rapid spread. I hope this doesn't put you off, but it's easy to get caught up in a routine and this can sometimes lead to disaster if it's not the "correct" routine.
Take care,
-Phil

That it might have been a bad idea, freezing snakes that you suspected of dying of Crypto and then thawing them and trying to feed them to your other snakes?

Why would snakes evolve a way to sense crypto when crypto isn't even fatal in the wild? That doesn't make any sense at all. There are even many cases proving reptiles kept in captivity can be carriers of crypto and still be healthy and asymptomatic. How quickly the infection turns into disease depends on husbandry, temperatures, etc.

I know I've said this a million times, but a body swelling can signal anything, NOT just crypto. And you don't even know for a fact that crypto is what wiped out your collection.
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www.BugChick.com

chickabowwow

Hi Jetzen, I tried feeding my male Eastern king that I found this summer, a stillborn Rubber Boa with no success. I originally tried to get him started on pinkies, and he eventually caught on, but the Rubber Boa just didn't do it for him.
-Phil

huge roadkill coachwhips, racers must be a deli item to kings,lol!

Can't forget about that big DOR atrox.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.freewebs.com/mikesnake
www.freewebs.com/badyear2005

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....U got no proof of nothing...

Bucketmouth is in brumation & cant even defend his good-name...U, U,,...pinkie-smoker!

....seems like theres somekinda truth-worm infecting my machine here.....whooaaa...whats going on here...

Bucketmouth....hey boy...leggo of the mouse...aaarrgghhh

those pics are great!

Hey Jetzen, not sure if you know but a lil dab of alcohol on the noise, near his nostrils would have done the trick he would have left go... i keep a bottle of rubbing alcohol really close for this reason, in early `04 i had a lavender brooksi get into a cal king enclosure and there was nothin i could do (so i thought) then my buddy told me about the alcohol thing. I actually did it this season with one of my male breeders and an uninterested female, he left her go within seconds.

~Z
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Royal Blue ReptileZ

Home of Bklyn's Finest Brooksi

thanks for reminding me.