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I didn't want to start a new thread but I want to know if regular floridana get as big a "brooksi". I was going to purchase one but not if they dont get as large as regular brooksi.

i remember reading about two varieties of south floridana"brooksi" that get quite bigger than the other type of floridana here they are 1. cane field brooksi 2. canal brooksi. somebody please straighten me out if this is incorrect.

Yeah I read this morning though that they both only get 3-4 feet. I dont think theres any king that gets bigger than 3-4 feet. I do know black milks get to 7 feet but thats a whole different story. Anyway thanks.

3-4 feet is the average but not every king fits into that catergory, there are fl. kings/brooksi that pass 4feet by far... a few years back someone had a pair of lavender albino brooksi for sale that were both OVER 6feet long, a lot of things can play a role in an animals growth such as genetics, husbandry (how big the enclosure is), food supply (how much, how often), not breeder to early which can stunt growth

Here's a jumbo female Fl. she was btwn 52"-54" when i sold her... very girthy (never bred)

~ZF
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Royal Blue ReptileZ

Home of Bklyn's Finest Brooksi

Thats a big ol' snake ya got there. 52" you say? Well then I guess you have very good husbandry. But I think that the norm is 3-4ft. Maybe If someone actually documented snakes growth rate (specifically brooksi/floridana) then I wouldnt be having this question I heard that enclosure space doesnt really matter on a snakes growth and that has been proven a lie. But yeah I do believe genetics plays a major roll as much as feeding and breeding to early but not enclosure.

I'd love to see someone explain to me how the enclosure does not play a role in a snake's growth.

A bigger enclosure = more space to roam

more space to roam = more movement

more movement= faster metabolism

faster metabolism = rapid growth???

if you have two snakes of same sex from the same clutch and you place one in a 10 gal and the other in a 20 gal Long, with the same feeding schedule and same environmental conditions, I'd bet you the snake in the 20 gal Long would be bigger that the snake in the 10 gal after a 6 month period.

~ZF
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Royal Blue ReptileZ

Home of Bklyn's Finest Brooksi

It's my understanding that more movement means a faster metabolism in mammals but not reptiles. For reptiles, it's generally only temperature and frequency of feeding that will affect metabolism. A snake could slow its metabolism in response to unavailability of food, but a mammal couldn't do the same.
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chickabowwow

Some Florida/Brooks kings will easily get in the five foot range, as well as Eastern Kings. I have an 04 Brooks king that's already a touch over three feet. I also have a Mexican Black King that's over five feet. 62-63 inchs to be exact. Pictured below.

Steve

"Yeah I read this morning though that they both only get 3-4 feet. I dont think theres any king that gets bigger than 3-4 feet. I do know black milks get to 7 feet but thats a whole different story. Anyway thanks"

1st off Killer Mex Black!

2nd are you 4sure it's a mex balck and not a black milk???

3rd, when are your breeding that guy, love to get a dame/sire from those genes

~ZF
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Royal Blue ReptileZ

Home of Bklyn's Finest Brooksi

"1st off Killer Mex Black!"
---Thanks. He's a great king to have. Just super docile---

"2nd are you 4sure it's a mex balck and not a black milk???"
---100 percent without a doubt he's a nigrita. I purchased him from John Cherry/Cherryville Farms. This particular bloodline (Llemke line) is very large.---

"3rd, when are your breeding that guy, love to get a dame/sire from those genes"
--- He's the only Mexican Black I have. Would be nice to have a large female to breed with him. What a great project that would be. If you do want some large ones, John Cherry has some good bloodlines.---

ok ... thanx for the info

~ZF
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Royal Blue ReptileZ

Home of Bklyn's Finest Brooksi

Ok well exceptions to the rule, but the average is 3-4 ft some bigger, some smaller ofcourse but thats how it always is and always will be. A snake in a ten gallon (lets say a garter or pueblan milk) will grow just as fast as one in a 20 gl because they are small snakes to begin with. So same thing with hatchling floridana or brooksi. Obviously when they get to a yearling phase then maybe you are right. But as for hatchlings I dont think so.

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Royal Blue ReptileZ

Home of Bklyn's Finest Brooksi

You have been Bunnied

Are you make'n fun of me or are we on the same page??

UMMMM?
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Royal Blue ReptileZ

Home of Bklyn's Finest Brooksi

What there's a page???? Huh???

I just have had no need to use the bunny for so long that I jumped at half a chance. I love that bunny. So I guess we are on the same page. Anyway i got to go pack for sunny Florida. HAHAHAHA (Now I am making fun of you)

Later Jason

You need to read what is written and ponder what is said. You have 3 different people telling you about kings over 4 foot and you don't seem to get it. Most Eastern kings that are kept moderately well will exceed four feet by their second to third year. Most of the Florida kings will do the same. There are some isolated populations for sure that are smaller but I would say 4-5 feet is a better average than 3-4. A adult king of either FL or Eastern that is short of 4 feet will be short by a inch or two and there will be a story with that snake more often than not.

As to your original question. it depends on who you get your animal from. Most breeders will give you a lineage of size and age of known relatives to their line be it sire dame of theirs or offspring that they hear about. Talk to a breeder that is advertising babies and ask for what the can offer.

Later Jason

i believe the Cane Field Floridani are the Dark Monsters or Regs.not Brooks the canals of South Dade are limestone or oelite (spell?)the white rock where the light specimens are supposidly encountered.Chris..............

the pics above are a selectivly bred fla.for red and the wild type brooks heres a better pic of w/c brooks

what do you think gets bigger the canals or canes? and that red/black floridana is sweet, is it pure foridana? and the wc "brooksi" is exactly the way they they should look, imo

that is a sweet lil RED Fla. and its belly is Sulfer.great project animal w/ an appetite!
And the Sugar Cane fields are supposidly a rat haven and bunnies are common, possibly evolving a bigger strain upwards of 6'where the canal South dade animals are common 4' animals just a hypothisis, anywho L8r Chris.....