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Wild caught Axanthic Sub Oc (Black Gap Road)

Sighthunter Dec 22, 2005 11:21 PM

More black on white.

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HerpGirl Dec 23, 2005 07:34 AM

very nice, do you mean she/he is a captive that you bought wc or you just found her/him? if so are you keeping him/her? either way, very nice snake.
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Edited on December 25, 2005 at 13:29:35 by phwyvern.

Sighthunter Dec 23, 2005 09:28 AM

I caught him 2 years ago. I bred him to three wild females. One of the females is from the same strech of road. I produced a total of 22 offspring of which 10 would be considered locality (from the same strech of road. His trait must be Co-Dominent in that all three females threw some babys that were black and white!

Sighthunter Dec 23, 2005 09:38 AM

I am going to assume this is not a typical axanthic gene so from now on I will refer to them as Black and white. Here is a pic showing one with an aberrant pattern.

dustyrhoads Dec 23, 2005 01:50 PM

Hey Bill!
Are you sure that isn't the gray phase sometimes found? There are axanthics and there are grays. They often get confused, because in certain ways they are similar and they are both very rare.
The grays have been found in the Franklin Mts., the Christmas Mts., and in Crocket County near Pandale, so they are fairly widespread, usually matching the color of the soil and rock on which they live. That's why there are oranges in the Panther Canyon, etc., because of the reddish orange dirt there.
Your's still look like they have an element of buckskin, although they are lighter-colered, I admit.
The grays that I have seen from Pandale and the Christmas Mts. also have a little buckskin mixed in their ground color, while the axanthics typically have none.
Here are a couple of pics that Aaron Mattson took of his (IMO) Christmas Mtn. gray-phased adult male snake. He calls it a silver on the photo, but look how the snake is only noticeably different when put next to a normally-colored animal. It looks like a normal buckskin/gray animal when by itself.

On the other hand, a normally patterned axanthic or silver (an '05 from my collection) that I posted below leaves no doubt at all that it is silver. The axanthic blondes that we have in the pet trade first popped up by luck in Mark Bell's incubator and the normally-patterned animals are descendents of those snakes.

I bring this issue up, because I have researched it quite a bit, and I think alot of people mistakingly and unknowingly interchange the terms silver, axanthic and gray and are confused about where they came from.

Merry Christmas!
Dusty R.

dustyrhoads Dec 23, 2005 02:05 PM

Mark Bell's axanthics, which spawned all of the axanthics that you see in the trade today, came serendipitously from some wild-caught blondes.

Gregg Feaster has some that are also seemingly true silvers whose normal-colored parents were caught between Terlingua and Lajitas, the exact location where most of the blondes have ever been found.

I would bet that they might be carrying the same axanthic gene, since Mark and Kim Bell's snakes were wild-caught blondes, most likely from that same area.

Dusty
www.subocs.blogspot.com

dustyrhoads Dec 23, 2005 02:30 PM

Another pic of a very rare but true silver (axanthic) adult that Jean Dery took. Silver...no doubt about it.
I'll post some pics of some Pandale(near)/Crocket County locality grays (but non-axanthic) in a few weeks when I get around to it.
Laters!
Dusty

www.subocs.blogspot.com

Sighthunter Dec 23, 2005 03:25 PM

All I know is that the three females that were bred all produced the Black and White offspring. Now that they are yearlings about half are black and white. One female and the wild male are from Black Gap Road, there are ten youngsters from that female of which four have remained black and white the others are buckskin. One female was from the Christmas Mountains Four offspring are yellow and two are Black and White. I got nine eggs from a 118 female lost 2. Four are normal buckskin and three Black and white. All the Black and White seem to be male except for one.

Sighthunter Dec 23, 2005 03:31 PM

I have seen boath color phases you are talking about. The wild male would trend toward true silver. The offspring do not have the grey wash in their background color more of a stark white. All were born Black and white except for the two from the yellowest Christmas Female. The ones that are buckskin would pass for grey (real light) but some are very clean White on Black not brown.

Sighthunter Dec 23, 2005 04:14 PM

Dusty can you put yours against a white background so I can get some idea what yours look like in contrast to white.

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