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I have been really impressed by all the great photos of subocs that everyone is putting up. I was wondering if anyone had any info and/or photos of very high yellow (or light orange)subocs. Do they tend to come from a particular locale and do they tend to breed true if the parents are both very yellow-looking. Anyway, keep up the great posts and Merry Christmas to all the ratsnake-folk.

Best regards
John

The yellowest ones that I had seen were from peppers hill area of texas they were schoolbus yellow blond phaise. The orangest ones come from lower river road and boyscout road. I saw a red one at the San Diego zoo twenty years ago I heard it had come from around upper river road. I had a very yellow female from the Christmas mountains area. Like everything else the odd animal can pop up almost anywhere.

Thanks for the info and the photo. That schoolbus yellow description is very interesting. I'd love to see one of those. I'm something of a xanthophile so yellow catches my attention.

Best regards
John

Here is a South American?

Hey that's neat. Is that Pseustes?

Yep

Yellow Phaise Tiger Rat

I like yellow too!

Great spilotes! I wish I had the room and the climate to enjoy them in a cage like that. Beautiful specimen and nice setup. Yes yellow and black is one of my favorite things.

Here is an orange sub-oc from Black Gap Road.

John,
I work with oranges from Panther Canyon on the River Road. Shannon Brown has a really nice light orange adult female also from that same locale. He is hoping she will breed in '06. You can see pics of both mine and his at the link below.
The oranges do tend to breed true if they both have noticeable orange in them. It seems to be more of a co-dominant thing than a simple recessive, but I'm not sure we understand the genetics of the oranges and reds fully yet.
The red phase have been noted by some long-time herpers to come out of the Davis Mts. and sometimes from around Alpine.
Both the orange and red phases increase in their color-intensity with age.
I have heard that Craig Trumbower has or had some "mustard yellows".
Below is a pic of a very yellow blonde I saw for sale on kingsnake a while back. Don't know who bought it, but it was a male and naturally...I am really male heavy. Seems ALL the pretty ones are always males.
I know there is a locale that yields some mustard yellow blondes. I'll try to get that info for you.
Ever seen a green blonde? Those are different. Really cool.
Thanks and Merry Christmas to all Elaphe, Bogertophis, Senticolis and Pantherophis addicts!
Dusty R.

www.subocs.blogspot.com

There have been some really interesting "Bogeys" come from the Hwy. 118 locale. Pastel yellow blondes, green blondes etc.
Gerold Merker had a beautiful pastel yellow blonde from that locale years ago.
Here is my 2 year old albino male.
Dusty

www.subocs.blogspot.com

Dusty:
Thanks for the info. You've got a very interesting website. That photo of the bright yellow blond in your reply is very neat. Have you ever seen that yellow a color on a normal patterned suboc? I like your Panther Canyon orange subocs. I hope you and Shannon have good luck with that project. I always prefer to work with locale specific lines if I can.

I couldn't say whether I've seen any green subocs. I'm red/green color blind so green is sort of a theoretical concept for me. When people point to things that are green I might see something that looks yellow, blue, brown or even possibly white. I guess I only see what's left over when you filter out the green.

A very happy Christmas to you and all your family on this great day. And may your new year be blessed and productive.

Best regards
John

My orange het is the one with lemon genetics.

John,
No problem and glad you liked the blog.
I have seen a really yellow H-patterned animal that Gerold Merker had that was posted in the Vivarium a long time ago back in '93.
And I have heard that Trumbower has (or had) some mustard yellows.
I am keeping watch for any of those, myself.
Later,
Dusty
www.subocs.blogspot.com

Michael Price was the person breeding those I have some hets from those bloodlines.

I and Kevin Munchnic has found 2 green blondes on the Fresno Ranch curve in Presideo county. Another was found by me in the late 80ties at the same location. They were kinda army green blondes. The female had very many multiple scars on her from something.
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I may be old , cantankerous, crabby, and cynical, but......

Mike Price got one from Hwy. 118 in the Christmas Mts.. I'll post it on my site in a week or two.
Dusty
www.subocs.blogspot.com

I have seen a lot of Bogeys from NM to Mexico and I don't see any real color trends other than snakes from further south are more yellow and snakes from further north are more olive green (my favorite color phase).

Orange bogeys show up in a lot of different places. I have seen nice orange bogeys from the river road, from the Davis Mountains, from black gap but by far the nicest orange snake I have seen was one a friend of mine in El Paso found on the front porch of his apartment in El Paso one night. It was almost rossalleni orange. I don't know what happened to that snake.

Here are a few bogeys found at almost exactly the same stretch of road (within a few hundred yards) on the same night this summer -

an orangish male with broad bands

a typical RR bogey

and my favorite - tan/green with clean pattern -

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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas

If you're right about the color trends then I'm more or less out of luck. I know Mexico doesn't export reptiles. Well, I'll keep my eyes open anyway and see what I can find here in the US.
Best regards
John