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this guy has nerves of steel

and here he is in hand

here's his sis, she is very much on the jittery side

but she finally ate in hand after "ONLY" 15 feedings, patience does pay-off

I like the male. Awesome colors on him.
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Was that a baby gerboa??? Or a fuzzy colored mice? I hope jetzen isn't feeding baby gerboa/gerbil to his snakes now

is'nt a gerboa a gerbil/kangaroo rat lookin desert rodent? Have they been domesticated? I would like to try out different types of domesticated rodents as food sources for my collection.
And the the food item in the pic is a wild colored domestic mouse fuzzy.

lol I just said gerboa because everyone says gerboa/gerbil so I figured I'd say it too. I don't know anything about it and I doubt you would feed kangaroo hybrids to your snake lol. That mouse fuzzy looked A LOT like a baby gerbil though.

I've fed baby gerboas and hampsters to my Asian ratsnakes before when I couldn't get them started on domestic mice. They're from the deserts and grasslands of Asia. They aren't as easy to raise or care for as mice, however, and I haven't done that for years.

BTW, the temps are really nice down here in AZ right now, but I haven't seen any snakes (kingsnakes), yet. Frank saw a patchnose yesterday though...hahaha.

TC

...those are very different kings. If you bred them, how did you get them to accept each other? Thanks...TC

What about the pheromones snakes give off? How are they so different yet so alike that snakes interbreed... Any study on pheromones (reptiles) to look at? Oh yeah and beautiful photo ratsnakehaven.
Later

Cal kings and FL kings have been bred for years. Many of the albino FL kings and albinoi "brooksi" have Cal king in their blood. I believe this to be one of the reasons for the cross we see here. "goini" X Cal was tried to get the albino "goini" in time.
As long as there's any Cal in it, I wouldn't say it's a pure "goini" no matter how long they are outbred from there.
Many are just the simple crosses as I see and are represented as such so there's not a problem with me...
There are pure albino "goini" out there as far as I know and they've been documented here on this forum.
I know of a breeder down near Lake O. that had bred the amel FL (read Cal X FL) to the "goini" as well, so who knows?
I would use the biggest Cal and a smaller FL king and introduce the female to the male the minute she sheds. If you have another shed from the same ssp.as the male thrown in, that might help too.
Lots of intergrades in the hobby nowadays, huh?
:Mark
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I gots lots ta learn about kings

TC

James McGrath and these mixed variety kings are F3's and they are only availible in albino, i'd like to see what normals look like.

remember,they are the same species....different pattern,different locale-but more or less same niche in their respective ecosystems....though i've never done it,apparently you can breed(hybridize)a common king(lampropeltis getula) with a pituophis-or a pantherophis(formerly elaphe,north american rat snakes) for that matter-and they will still produce viable offspring;same subfamily(lampropeltinae)....so why should'nt they be considered the same species?or at least the same genus?

>>remember,they are the same species....different pattern,different locale-but more or less same niche in their respective ecosystems....though i've never done it,apparently you can breed(hybridize)a common king(lampropeltis getula) with a pituophis-or a pantherophis(formerly elaphe,north american rat snakes) for that matter-and they will still produce viable offspring;same subfamily(lampropeltinae)....so why should'nt they be considered the same species?or at least the same genus?

I said, "Those are very different kings", generalizing about getula. No reference to different species or genus I just think Cal Kings are quite different in appearance, as well as some behavioral differences, and could be noticeable in a cross, or trying to cross them. I have no problem with someone else crossing them, but personally I'd prefer crosses that were a little closer geographically. ASAMOF, I plan to cross a Cal King with a desert king, eventually. They are not as different, imho.

Not to open a whole can of worms, but I think it's interesting that many folks consider a cross bt. a Great Plains ratsnake and a corn snake to be a hybrid, when they are likely intergrading on the East TX coast naturally. I think they are just as closely related as the Cal king and Florida king, or more so, and yet, the corns and G.P. rats are often considered separate species. Just the way my mind works...I like these kinds of problems.

Thanks....TC

by all means,i think we're pretty much in agreement,you and i...however i don't personally like to integrade recognized subspecies.