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This was the biggest surprise of the 2005 season for us. We just expected to produce Pastels and Spiders Het for Piebald. But we got a strange combination that showed up in 1 Pastel Jungle, 2 Spiders and 4 wild type Het Piebalds. Check it out!

Greg
Graziani Reptiles

Wow...those things are neat.

No idea what's goin on?

Congrats!
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Ryan Farris

We believe that there is another gene involved but only time and more breeding will tell.

Greg
Graziani Reptiles

Really awesome snakes!!! I hope I get lucky like that some day!!

Hey Greg,
I was wondering if anyone had bred spiders and pieds. I have a female spider I was going to breed to a male pastel, but he isn't producing sperm or showing any interest, I was thinking of using a pied male. Any idea what the cross might look like?
Thanks Mike

I'm sure that we are not the first to breed Pied to Spider. I would have to assume that both NERD and Peter Kahl have created Spiders Het Pied and I would think that one of them will probably produce Spider Piebalds in 2006. As for your question, yes I do think it would be a good choice if your Pastel is not breeding.

Greg
Graziani Reptiles

What do you think a pied spider might look like? Would the pied pattern wipe out the spider pattern. What would yellow belly spiders produce, an ivory spider? Would the almost patternless ivory, wipe out the spider pattern?

I don't think that the Pied will wipe out the Spider pattern but I think there is a good possibility of the Ivory covering the spider gene.

Greg
Graziani Reptiles

Greg now that is WILD and I see what you are trying too show.They ALL have the Pied pattern BUT withought being a Pied.Now what I am trying to say is that they could pass as a LOW white Pied That is UNTIL you turned them over too see that the belly is NOT ALL white as a Pied would be correct???.

Ps' I know it's late and the meds have kicked in LOL BUT I do see it

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Kelvin,J,Tourangeau

www.PastelDreamMorphs.com

These are all produced from the same Piebald male and it seems to be 50% of his offspring that have this abarrent pattern and color. The pattern is strange but the change in color really supprised us. The Spider is almost solid gold with no white on it's sides at all and the yellow in the Pastel is more of a green/gold color also. Our other Piebald male produced normal looking offspring.

Greg
Graziani Reptiles

Awesome!

Is the pied male that threw these weird ones from Harbor Reptiles or The Snake Keeper by any chance?

My bet is some really nice females have gotten bred into Pied projects over the years and now some weird unexplored genetics is popping out of those lines. Of course the single pied gene it’s self might be enhancing the other genes in some hets too. Sort of like yellow belly gene seems to be doing to granites and whatever produced that super stripe of Jared's.

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Thanks!

But that doesn't narrow the line down much lol.

Would be cool if we had a registry and could follow lines. I've got a neat looking 50% possible het pied produced by PKL with a mom named "Spot" but that's as far back as I know. I've also got a really nice looking (but different) 25% possible het pied from Raul Gomez out of a 50% het from TSK. And then I recently saw some neat photos of some similar looking (but even nicer) possible het girls out of a Harbor Reptiles het male.

Would you mind sharing a picture of the father? I have a 100% Het. Pied from PK and a couple of your pastels! I love my Het, he has a very Melanistic coloring. They are awesome!

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Greg are those the same snakes we saw at your table in Daytona?
Jon