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hey im gonna get some whites soon and i was wondering which one would be better to get? I want one thats larger, and will eat without hesitation ( in the past i've kept green treefrogs that never ate) I was just wondering, cuz the petshops near me have indonesian whites treefrog that are 3.5 inches each, but i prefer the larger the better, and they look nothing like this frog : http://sanca.tripod.com/images/caerulea_3.jpg
is that frog an australian or indonesian? Will indonesians be like that when they mature a little bit more? Because all the whites treefrogs i see at the petshop look like this : http://chameleoncounters.com/images/whitestree.jpg
Will one of those turn into the first pic?
Are there any other differences between the australian kind and the indo kind?

also, this is a pretty bad way to keep whites treefrogs right?
http://www.petlibrary.com/images/whites_1.jpg

sorry for the long and confusing post

the first picture is a whites tree frog....i dont think there is a big difference between indo ones and aulstralian but i maybe wrong the second pic has the whites tree frogs butt in your face and blue eyed tree frog looking at you.

the third pic is really bad why to house the frogs unless they are just letting the drink or it there while the cage is being cleaned

anyways one whites needs a 20 gallon tall with a wide leafed plant and a water bowl that should be cleaned every other day....im pretty sure that you know how to take of them..

thanks, but i need to know will indos have those bumps on their head and look all fat and stuff? Or do they just stay skinny like the ones i see at the petshop?

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/5741/kpp2.jpg
how come one frog has that bump thingy on its head and it looks much fatter than the one on top? At the petshops around me, they have similar ones to the top one, but I want something like the bottom one. Will Indonesians grow to be fat and have those bump thingys, because in the pictures and stuff i see, those fatter frogs are all australian...
thanks

It seems that your biggest concern is the "knots" on the tops of the head and them being fat - well they go hand in hand with one another and don't have much to do with anything else. An Aussie or an Indo, either one, can be overfed to the point of being extremely fat resulting in the typanic ridges becoming too large - making the "knots" - which can fold over to cover part or all of the tympanic membrane (eardrum). This is a classic sign of obesity and is unhealthy for these frogs. There are characteristic differences between Aussie and Indo WTFs - Aussies often have brighter colors of greens and blues and Indos can commonly be reddish brown most of the time, Indos can have a more pointy snout than Aussies - but there are always exceptions to every rule. Especially since the cross breeding of the two natives is unfortumately common. SO if you're simply wanting a WTF to have a huge fat frog - research an Arican bullfrog - as it's not in the best interest of a White's to be obese. If you're interested in a White's regardless and would like somemore info on them, check out the WTF page at my website. Hope this helps!
www.froggie.info - WTF

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Happy Frogging!!!

~Becki~

do the bumps on their heads appear as they grow older? I dont see any baby whites treefrog looking like that.

and you're also telling me that Indos can be just as fat and have those ridges, just like the Australins?

thanks

http://sanca.tripod.com/images/caerulea_3.jpg
I dont think that frog is overweight...

i just think a frog that looks like that is much cooler than those skinny little things i see at the petshop

No, the "knots" do not appear with age per say, they appear with weight gain. Yes Indos can become overweight and have these "knots" too. As there is some slight difference in their head structures there might be a bit different shape or look to the "knots".
And, not trying to sound harsh here, but if you're getting a White's because you want to overfeed it to be obese just because it looks cool to you than you don't need one. The priority should be the health and welfare of the animal not what you think looks cool. Maybe the ones you're seeing at the petstore are underfed and could use a little added weight but if your goal is to have one with the huge tympanic folds as is in the pic - that is significant obesity and will lessen the lifespan of the frog. White's are very voracious eaters and will eat anything that moves - as much as they can get into their mouths - even to their own demise. Obesity is one of the largest health problems with them in captivity because they have the instinct to eat whenever they find something to eat - as in the wild, they may not have a readily available food source and not know when the next meal is coming. In captivity they still have the same instinct - they don't know you're gonna be sure they have food every other day like clockwork. So they get grossly obese if their intake is not closely monitored. If you'd like, go to my website and check out the pics of my Indo - Satch - he's not skinny but he's not obese either. Hope this helps.
www.froggie.info

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Happy Frogging!!!

~Becki~

today i went to a petco and they had a tank with only 2 whites tree frogs left. It labled Australian Whites Tree Frog (babies)
First of all these frogs were about 2.5 inches, secondly their color was very light green. And at first glance I thought they were Indos. their color was quite similar to this frog : http://market.kingsnake.com/image/74506.jpg

anyways my question is, can real australians be in that shade of green? i always thought they were darker and more of a light blueish color.

Also, when they are on the glass, how am i supposed to feed them? crickets and other bugs can't climb the glass, and i think moving the frog everytime will stress it out.

Thanks

and is there a good way to tell the gender of a 2.5 inch whites tree frog?

thanks

You need to do alot more research before you get any WHite's. I am going to leave the link to my website again, read the WTF page as well as the husbandry page. This gives you some info about the species itself, how to care for them, and general husbanry for frogs as well. There is also a ton of info of White's available on the net as well - please read some of it.
Now to answer your question specifically - they do not stay on the glass all the time - just when they are sleeping during the day. They come down to hunt and soak in their water at night.
After you've done some research, feel free to ask any furhter questions you may have.

www.froggie.info

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Happy Frogging!!!

~Becki~

i've done a lot of research, and I have read your website many times. But they just don't give out a lot of info about Indos and Australians. On some pages it says Indos are larger, they are darker, while on some others, its the complete opposite.

WHat do u reccomend, drift wood or grapevine? What are some other things that I can put in the tank or them to climb on? I was thinking, a smooth wooden pole, sorta like a bird perch but smoother and much thicker, without paint.

Also, would it be okay if I put some thick bamboo from asia in an australian frogs tank?

You will care for the Indos and the Aussies the same. As far as plants go, you can use any plants as long as they are non-toxic plants - just keep in mind that they need to be lagre hearty plants as the WTFs are very large robust animals and will trample small delicate plants. I am an artificial plant person myself but can tell you that Pothos is a good plant to use with them and bamboo is great but a bit difficult to grow. WHen adding any plants to a tank, if they are store bought, they need to be removed from the soil they come in and the roots and plant rinsed free from all dirt and any additives to the soil - like the little white syrofoam balls or vermaculite - and the repotted in safe soil and allowed to grow outside the ank for 6 weeks. This allows any/all possible toxins from fertilizers etc to grow out of the plant. As far as woods, both are okay. The long limbs I have in my WTF tank are driftwood limbs I collected from a river bed and bleached. There are also posable rubbery/plastic limbs that are great at petstores. For info on toxic and non-toxic plants go to the lonk below - alot of other great froggie stuff as well...
talkto.thefrog.org

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Happy Frogging!!!

~Becki~

sorry with all the questions and stuff, I'm a little worried because I have had some bad experiences with green treefrogs as a kid. They all would die, and stay at the same spot all day long.