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sorry for my englisch.(i'm from belgium).

i get a lot of message's, is it true of thats a albino indigo couperi.
many people tell me that is not possible.
so the true is : yes they exist. but they all died.(because a stupid thing).
he had 8 albino's in his collection. but some of the albino's has dark eyes. so whe suspect that was more leucistic sp.
these photo is not digital. the real color is more to gray-pink

so i wanna ask here to al indigo keepers and breeders.
is there sombody else who have breeding albino's. so yes. what is you'r experience???

thanks and greetz.

Well it looks like they made their debut sooner than I thought. Pretty little boogers. The ones coming out of the egg on the websight look awfully white more lucistic looking I would say. Are there any close-ups of the head? Interesting I would have thought an albino would have pattern.

Well it looks like they made their debut sooner than I thought. Pretty little boogers. The ones coming out of the egg on the websight look awfully white more lucistic looking I would say. Are there any close-ups of the head? Interesting I would have thought an albino would have pattern.

debut is already a lot longer. these photo is already 10-13years old. i was also suprised to see it. but he have still one in the freezer. so one of these weeks (next year ) i will some good close ups from the head.

a couple couperi's from that genius is still alive in europe.
somenone from the netherlands sold them before my eyes. but first is first.

but the close i will make in the common weeks.
greetz nico

Thank you Nico.

One possable sighting in the wild no breeders in the U.S. have reported any Albino offspring as of yet. Are the parents of the albino still alive? Can we get pictures?

of the parents still alive, i dont know, the hatchlings from the parents yes. they are not so many indigo's in europe.
10-15 years ago you have a lot of indigo's here in europe and verry cheap.
but like i said, my friend sold his collection 10-13years ago and started whit pyhtons and gondron. now he feel sorry for it.
but the seller from his collection let all the indigo's died.
my friend visited him in bulgaria, and all the indigo's where dead. a whole collection. that was 10 years ago.
also the border closed in the us for the indigo. so now at this moment in europe the population is not verry strong.
but some indigo's are cariér of albino genes. i hope mine

here a photo off the female from the albino (leucistic)

They are cool looking, but the purist in me hopes that no others pop up. And if there are still some in existence (from any breeder) I hope they are never bred or offered for sale.

Since the gene pool is so shallow here & it sounds like it's even worse in Europe the introduction of this mutant gene (in my opinion) would only further weaken the pool.

Thanks for sharing!

Eric
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I see the problem in a different light but along the same lines. Pure to me is making sure an Eastern is an Eastern. An albino Gene can be crossed into other subs of Dry and in my opinion that is where the problem will be. Since the bloodlines have no fresh genes my guess is that an albino will pop up within two years. This can be in any one of the subs. Artifitial insemination is a fairly simple process so who is to say that an albino gene couldn't be introduced through, say, an albino bull snake and then breed the bull snake back out! That is the scarry part. Greed knows no boundries.

I have a couple comments and questions:

First, in the US, as far as any of us know here, there has not been a confirmed albino or leusitic indigo snake anywhere.

This is the first I've heard of!

Second...did you see the snake in person and are you 100% sure it was an indigo snake?

Do you have any more photos? Any head closeups?

If you zoom in on that photo, it appears to have many tiny yellow speckles. Heavy speckling usually only occurs on "red face" eastern indigos. If it was leucistic, it would not have the yellow, and if it were albino (amelanistic) it should have screaming bright red on the sides of the face and under the chin.
It would seem if that were the case, someone would have taken a photo of the red areas because it would be spectacular. I've never seen lots of speckling on an eastern indigo that was not a "red" phase.

I'm curious as to why the speckles are yellow too...that just doesn't seem right. Baby eastern indigos have sky-blue or white speckling. I wouldn't think it would be yellow on an amelanistic snake. The shape of the snake looks right for Drymarchon...but...if you have not personally seen the albino indigos, I'd be concerend it was a fraud and maybe this is a baby amelanistic cobra of some sort?

I'm not accusing you of deceipt, just wondering if it's possible that you were a victim of it yourself...

Hi Dean,

did you see the other pics on the website? The egg sure has the dry texture about it. Check out this link...

albino indigo

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if i followed this right...these things hatched several years ago and are all dead????....perhaps there was a lethal circumstance linked to the albino gene???....there is a frozen specimen???.....is tyhere a living ALBINO indigo out there??...ONLY THE SHADOW KNOWS..............i like my black snakes.......................

From what I have heard it is VERY possible that there is an albino out there. But I don't know where or who has it. Wouldn't say if I did though.

Eric
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like i said in the messages before.
i will made a close up from it, my friend have still one in the freezer.
these is the real eastern. the photo ( 10years old) is not digital and is scanned, thats maybe could be the yellow points you see.

but like you subcribe, do you breed some of these kind. because you talk about colors and nobody see these one. i just wondering.

i hear meany times you'r a victim . but they was only one breeder in belgium who had these snakes. and i was meeting hem a year ago. because i dident believe it also.
but its still in his freezer. its original. really

I believe you & I don't think that anyone is questioning you personally. It's just that most of us here are both excited & disappointed at this news. Excited to see what an albino looks like, but disappointed that it was out there to Begin with weakening the gene pool.

Regarding Dean, yes he is a breeder. He's also one of the most knowledgeable people you could hope to meet when it comes to rematching.

Keep on posting here, we enjoy having new blood around.

Eric
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Please explain why the appearance of an albino in the captive Eastern indigo population would automatically weaken the gene pool. Thanks.

Ok, i'll re-phrase.

The mere "appearance" of an albino will not weaken the gene pool. However, we both know that the chances of it living out it's life without ever being bred are VERY slim.
As you know, albinism is a mutation, so what possible good could come from adding that gene to the existing pool?

Eric
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If Jesus is your co-pilot, you'd better change seats!

I am not sure if this post if real or not, or if the picture is doctored or not.Sorry to be so cynical. But, assuming that it is real and that the snakes photographed are still alive, I sincerely hope they never make it over to this country. Or if they did that they inhabit my freezer, in the back ,next to the frozen peas I use for fishing from time to time.

Eastern Indigos are just fine in their normal black coloration.

I can appreciate them in that form and share no fascination with albino, amel, patterned or any other "morphs" that could be produced.

Sincerely and without regret,

Fredrick Albury

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Rhymes with ALBURY???

lol or rhymes with Fred?

Maybe DEAD?

good one Eric.

Fred Albury

Fred, would you like to steal my old signature file?

"A snake in the hand should be in the bush."
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