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I was just looking at the classifieds and saw the 'Banana Ball' for sale. Anybody know anything aboutthis animal? Is it a new line of T positives? Is it totally different?

Whatever, it's a nice animal!
BANANA BALL

I was thinking the same thing. I'd be very interested if the person who posted this would also post a history and pictures of how it was proven. A very pretty animal!

Laura

It kinda looks like something NERD has...I think maybe a high contrast coral glow?

I have no first hand knowlege of the Banana Ball, but what I have heard is it was a CH or WC baby out of Africa, I think Ralph says somewhere on his site that he "passed" on buying the ball, and Will Slough did buy it. It was bred, and turned out to be dominant, I DO NOT THINK it has been proven CO-DOM, but is proven to be dominant. Just what I have heard, anyways, nice snake huh?

Dave

Whenever a morph is first proven genetic, if it's dominant in nature it's automatically called codominant. I wonder if these are marketing ploys, although I wouldn't think a marketing ploy would be needed. My opinion is that the snake is dominant until it's proven that a super form exists. Maybe they could be labeled as possibly codom.

Jake

You heard right, Wil purchased an adult wild female. He bred it to a clown male and produced Banana balls in the first clutch.I believe there were 1.3 bananas in the clutch.It has not been proved co-dominant as of yet. It most closely resembles NERDS white smoke in person. Mark Petros

It's what NERD was calling a white smoke albino. Co-dominant

there's no super yet. So it can't be called Co-Dom just yet.
It's Dom for the time being.

The banana ball came in as an adult in 2000.
I bought the animal from strictly reptiles while having a beer.
This year I bred her to a clown, there were 7 eggs 3 came out looking just like the mother (banana 100% het for clown) 4 normal(100% het clown).
She is co-dominant.

A Pastel ball is a co-dom morph because there is a SUPER pastel when a pastel is bred to a pastel. Up to the point where a super pastel was hatched, the pastel was a dominant morph. ONLY after the super was hatched can you call it co-dom. The same applies to all dominant morphs, the Mojave is Dominant until a super is hatched, then, it will be co-dom. You must have a super hatch to be a co dom.

Dave

I guess the real question is, would you give 50 grand to a professional breeder who doesn't know the difference between dominant and co-dominant?

Just curious.

VOT

The real question I think is if you all could be even more asses if I could pay you? Grow up, there is no reason for ridicule and taunting. I have seen countless numbers of breeders make slip ups of just this kind, and you would probably think they were very 'professional'. How many times have you seen a hypo called a ghost?
You are paying for a snake, not a name. They are beautiful animals and worth every penny. IMO
Adam

I do not think anyone is being an ass, I think legitimate questions are being raised. I also think maybe Will is thinking this: I think the Bannana Ball is being compared to the NERD line White Smoke Ball, which is Co-Dom, and he could be banking on his line following suit.

Dave

Hello Davye...

The NERD Whitesmoke isn't co-dominant either as they also have not thrown a Super from it yet. The Whitesmoke and Banana projects seem to be in about the same place right now... time will tell the rest...

Hope this helped...

Thanks
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If the snake was dominant all the babies produced would exhibit the traits of the parent animal; However when the banana was breed to a clown there were three bananas and four 100% Hets. for clown. This snake is acting in a co-dominant nature. Using your logic all hypo Boas would be dominant until proven co-dominant that is just not the case.

Mack

We are assuming that the original Banana female is only heterozygous for Banana. The gene could still be completely dominant but since she only has one of them each offspring only has a 50% chance of getting it rather than her normal copy of the same gene.

I believe we are thinking that the term "Dominant" should cover any sort of not recessive mutation until it is proven if it is actually Co-dominant or completely dominant. It is a little confusing but here is how it might eventually prove out:

Co-dominant: Someone may eventually produce a super (homozygous) banana that looks different from the current assumed heterozygous bananas. This snake might be more extreme, might be totally different, or might be a lethal combination. At any rate, if the homozygous turns out to be different, it would then classify as a co-dominant mutation.

Completely dominant: I'm not sure this term is excepted but I use it to distinguish between a proven dominant gene and the generic dominant that could be either co-dominant or completely dominant but just isn't proven yet. A completely dominant gene would look the same whether heterozygous or homozygous. Spider MIGHT be completely dominant, I don’t think anyone has proven a spider to be homozygous trough breeding experiments yet but I’m not in a position to know for sure.

Exactly!

The only difference between dominant and co-dominant is that the co-dom animal has a proven SUPER. That is the only difference! A dominant does not throw 100% homozygous babies, just 50% EXACTLY like the co-dom, but the co-dom gene is only a het for a super!

Dave

Actually since Normal is dominant, whenever a dominant is bred to another dominant you should technically get half of each dominant trait.
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Josh
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Maybe I missed it, but I do not see anyone talking about normal ball pythons, dominant genes and co-dominant genes, the similarities, and differences...

Dave

I was using Normal as an example because you were obviously confused about what a dominant gene is....
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Josh
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Exactly how am I confused?

Dave

The banana and the white smoke are the same type of mutation. The breeding poved that.. It was thought they were the same and then both produced 1 clutch and both produced the same babies.. Nerd calls theirs coral glows (the big secret) and slough calls his banana. Same snake, the babies will grow to be more white with black spots..

do you have any way to prove this? I want to get into coral glows, and have been waiting for NERD to tell me SOMETHING and am still waiting. The CG and Bananna do not look the same to me, different tones and patterns. Also I was under the impression that the coral glow (like the carmel glow) was a DH mutation, not a dominant or co-dom. Also I don't see the white smoke in either the CG or the Bananna. I don't think there even compatable, and I am not getting into the rumor (or not?) of if the white smoke is still alive. I am not trying to ack like I know it all, I have NO CLUE, I am only a couple years into researching BPs so I am fairly new and have ALOT to learn, this is just the way I see it and I was wondering if there is proof, becuase if there the same I can start saving! LOL I have to anyway, will be a LONG time before I get into them! By then they will be $5,000! LOL Just looking for info not trying to give any, I am in no position to do so. Thanks! and post sites if you can. Also Where is NERD in this thread???
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either way there all BEAUTIFUL and I want all of them!
I like all the mutations. Pied, Coral Glow, and Blue eyed lucy, being at the top of the list and the axanthics and green ghosts at the bottom, but there ALL beautiful. And before I get reemed for saying axanthics are on the bottom of my list, I like the babies and some of the adults make it up there on the list, but most of them bore me slightly. I like the EXTREEM ones! Would LOVE to see an axanthic crossed with the CG or Bananna!
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Thats liek saying a high contrast albino is not the same as the faded albinos!! The white smoke and the banana are the same. The white smoke produced the coral glows. Its not as rumor, nerd told people and we all know when you tell one person, pretty soon, everyone knows.. Look at the newer pictures of the larger coral glows. They are losing color and getting black spots, just like the white smoke.. The banana is the same thing just a different parttern and color. I have pictures of the banana when it was imported and when it was still in africa, I also have pictures of the white smoke in africa. The coral glow isnt a double dose of any mutation. Nerd also proved the white sided pied and also just produced a double mutant Woma ball.....

If what your saying is true that the Whitesmoke produced the Carmel Glow then why does NERD's Website say that the Carmel Glow is a product from a double het breeding between a Carmel Albino and Orange Ghost Ball? They do not say anywhere that it is a dominate mutation.

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/CaramelHypo.html
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I was mistaken. What I was referring to was for the Carmel Glow and not the Coral Glow. But it does not say that they were produced from the Whitesmoke anywhere.
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Their website doesnt say anything, they have kept it a secret from the forum users. Im letting you know what it was produced from..

why is NERDS co-dom has there been a super white smoke? mlpetros

Will is a very knowledgeable breeder and has a great collection of vary rare snakes.I don,t think it's will's logic in question.It may be yours.

Mack

That is one awsome looking snake!

blah blah blah, dominant codominant. Sometimes used improperly. Don't take away from the beuaty of the snake. Awesome snake. Pictures aren't still around but I thought they were different from the coral glow. Saw them last weekend and thought they were getting more neon. Not really closer to the white ghost. They are both awesome. Who knows the truth besides Kevin and the gang at NERD about the coral glow. Time will tell. Till then we will keep guessing.
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Derek Affonce
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Just wondering if its the same thing..loks like Lavender Albino

Absolutely not a lavender albino, totally different! mlpetros