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I am looking into getting a male reduced pattern ball. What are the genetics of this morph? recessive/dominant/codom? Also what is the current market price for a male? Is a tiger the same thing as a red. pat.? Any websites to learn more? I think these are the coolest things around. thanks.
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True reduced patterns are a proven inheritable co-dominant mutation ... and many people has proven them out ...however there are many lines which are not proven. Generally true reduced patterns have very reduced belly markings (see pic below). Reduced patterns are also called Tigers by some, but then Womas are also called Tiger Womas by some breeders ...

They are a good mutation to breed into other color morphs ... for example with Pastels to line breed and produce Reduced patterned Pastels (worth more money than regular Pastels) or to breed with Spiders to futher reduce the pattern, etc .... there are still plenty of good projects to create good true Reduced pattern Designer morphs.

Hope that helps you ...

cheers, John

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John,
I didn't know they looked as nice as the one in your picture. Where can I find nice ones?
Thanks Mike

they do come in from Africa every year. I personally think this gene is more complicated than just being Co-Dom. They have been around "forever"! If it was easy as Co-Dom, where they all at?? Here's some pics!!!

the last pic in the previous reply is wrong!!!!!!

lol...... did you scan your snake???? in the middle picture it looks like it. nice snakes!
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I agree with the previous posts that the genetics are not completely understood in all lines. Corey Woods and Ralph Davis having the more well known lines at this point. Corey's line is recessive and Ralph's appear to be dom/codom.

I produced some GRP's over the last couple of years trying to nail the genetics down on mine and it is complicated. When I bred my original male to normals I get some GRP's in the clutch with much variability in pattern and little or no spots. However, the pattern on the later half of the body is dramatically reduced. But when I bred the "normal" offspring back to dad, I got banding/pattern reduction similar to when I breed to normals but more consistent pattern reduction throughout the body. Still none of the offspring look like Dad. When bred to a spider, the pattern and color are noticably different on all the offspring.

Another oddity so far, this year, the GRP's that I produced were all sexed as males. The animals I produced a couple of years ago were all sold as "aberrant" offspring. Several went to Chicago Reptile House. This year I am breeding dad back to a visible "aberrant" daughter in a joint dinking project with them to see what happens. My hopes are to reproduce the fathers pattern appearance at least however he also has an abnormal coloration. The coloration has yet to be reproduced. In this line, I think there are multiple genetics involved influencing the pattern and color. Time will tell. The photo is of a normal daughter x grp father offspring from this year taken couple of months ago.

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Hey Cory have you got genetic Black Backs (I know you have those) or Genetic Reduced/Banded Patterns or both ?

cheers, John
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I've got one male left from this clutch, as well as one het female. They're really cool snakes. Check out my link below for lots of pics of parents and offspring. I was hoping they would turn out to be codom, but they're still cool!

Cutch page for these babies, pics of parents, etc.

Genetic Reduced Pattern...aka...mudslide line

Thats a nice GRP ... whats the belly & the offspring look like .... did it reproduce as a co-dom or recessive mutation ?

cheers, John
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John, This project has come to pass as a recessive trait with many years of effort.

2001 I bred my original reduced pattern female to an albino (normal patterned) male and produced 3 normal babies…nice looking banded babies, however not as nice as mom.

2002 I bred the same pair again and produced more babies…none that resemble the extreme reduced pattern mother again?

2003 & 2004 no eggs?.....;(

2005 I bred original reduced pattern female back to previous “het” sons and produced 8 babies. 4 screaming Reduced Patterns and 4 normal patterns.

2005 I also bred brother and sister “GRP/albino double hets” and hatched a mix of Reduced Patterns, normal patterns, and an albino (pic shown).

Due to the fact, reduced patterned & banded ball pythons have always been around. I have decided to label this particular lineage mudslide to prevent any confusion with other lines.

Smiles,
Rich Macias BLOODLINES

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