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Hello. I post over in the cameleon board. I am looking for a gift for my mother. A snow female with clear nails. Anyone know a good breeder? No one seems to have any.
Thanks
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Edited on January 8, 2006 at 18:56:00 by phwyvern.

What youre going to want to look for is a marketed leusistic that is mostly white. Or a hypo pastel that is mostly white. I would try Rob and vickie of bearded dragons and other creatures they posted some on their site this sunday.

peace,
nate

I am not familiar with them. Do you have a link to their site?
Isn't there a difference between the morphs a snow and the ones you've stated. My mom has 2 one turned out to be a male.I thought that is why she has been looking for a female for over a year now.That what she needs is a snow with clear nails.That particular morph..... Like her males. If they are all one in the same I'd be glad to know.Thanks!
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Wendy
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Edited on January 8, 2006 at 18:55:48 by phwyvern.

Snows are line bred; Marketed Luecs I believe were proven recessive.

Just because a breeder says a hatchling Snow is a Snow doesn't mean they'll be the pure white you would expect. My Snow turned out to be the color of a normal dragon. Very disappointing.

Where did she get her originals from? another thing to consider is that marketed snows do not have clear nails. Aso they are not white when a baby but just look a little lighter then a normal. They get whiter with every shed. Although some stay normal. Chances are that if hers are white and have clear nails they are just white hypo pastels or a marketed leusistic.

peace,
nate

dachiu.com has some marketed leucistics every now and then. they usually update their available dragons on sunday or monday. check with them frequently as they usually go really fast, maybe even call them to hold one for you. they have some of the nicest dragons!
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She got hers from Sunset Dragon Ranch. First a male that is now a year and 3 months. And he has clear nails, paternless, and as white as a sheet almost. The second 2 she got as a unrelated pair and sold the male. Then the female she kept turned into a male. He is 10 months old. Has clear nails and is as white as a sheet.Very white and patternless.
I just snooped around and asked her without her getting curious. She said they where marketed as "snow with clear nails".
So excuse my ignorance. Marketed Luecs are white? I understand about a gene being recessive. And I knew the snows get whiter over time.Or can stay looking like dirt sometimes. Hers looked like dirt babies at first.They are georgous now.
I will look around for these Marketed Luecs.
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Wendy
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Daughter of "DragonLady" Breeder of High Color High Quality Bearded Dragons
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4 Blue Bar Amblobes
2 Nosey Be's
2 Sambava's
2 Tamatives
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Edited on January 8, 2006 at 18:55:38 by phwyvern.

The problem lies with every single breeder calling their animals something different. Clear nails are a ressesive trait while "snow" dragons are a co domminant trait. it is possible that she got snow dragons that have clear nails , only it takes a lot more work and not a lot of breeders are doing it.

peace,
nate

Snow is certainly not CoDom in Beardies. It is line bred.

If Snow was CoDom, my Snow wouldn't have the coloring of a normal.

Due to Snows being line bred (like most Beardie "morphs", their is no guarantee what a hatchling will look like.

I would recommend looking at the Marketed Luecs if you're looking for white. If your mother's are truely Snows, she was extremely lucky to have them turn into patternless white specimens! Mine was from two white parents (though not patternless), but obviously did not receive the proper genes to have the white coloring.

I will look into the marketed luecs. What may I ask does the "marketed" mean?
Here is a picture of the younger Snow with one of her Citrus guys.She is adamit that they are "Snows" so I guess she got luck with that breeder. But I tried contacting them again and they have no unrelated female, and don't know when they will.

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Wendy
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Daughter of "DragonLady" Breeder of High Color High Quality Bearded Dragons
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4 Blue Bar Amblobes
2 Nosey Be's
2 Sambava's
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Edited on January 8, 2006 at 18:55:22 by phwyvern.

The "Marketed" was added to the Luecs morph because what was being called a Luec in Beardied does not match the true definition.

If you breed two animals with two different traits together and their offspring showed both traits then wouldnt that be co dom? I could be wrong. If you breed a snow with a colored animal you would potentially get animsl that show both traits right?

peace,
nate

I am going to look at Dachiu after this post.
What if I get her one? If she breeds it with one of her snows with clear nails, what would it be? And what would be condidered recessive? Would it just be 50/50?
I am so glad that chameleons are easier as far as this part. I don't mix breeds. Keep it simple. Too bad they are not as easy as the BD's to care for.
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Wendy
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Daughter of "DragonLady" Breeder of High Color High Quality Bearded Dragons
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4 Blue Bar Amblobes
2 Nosey Be's
2 Sambava's
2 Tamatives
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Edited on January 8, 2006 at 18:54:15 by phwyvern.

You should get offspring with clear nails that have varring degrees of white off white and you may get color in the babies as well. For some reason if they are two different mutations then you will get normal looking babies with dark nails that are double hets for both mutations. But if in fact they are snows with clear nails then even if they come out with dark nails they should lighten with every shed. Although not all snows get white.

peace,
nate

Have you ever done a bearded dragon tatoo? or even a chameleon tatoo?

peace,
nate

I have not Not yet anyhow! That is my mom's next planned tattoo. I am doing a monster "fantasy dragon" on her stomach and rib cage to hide a bad galbladded scar.This is her first ever tattoo!
I have done 3 cameleons, a iguana, a monitor, and a zillion geckos, snakes.....ect.
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Wendy
Tattooist by Trade
Chameleon Keeper by Heart
Daughter of "DragonLady" Breeder of High Color High Quality Bearded Dragons
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4 Veiled Sunbursts
4 Blue Bar Amblobes
2 Nosey Be's
2 Sambava's
2 Tamatives
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Edited on January 8, 2006 at 18:53:57 by phwyvern.

No, that is not the definition of CoDom.

CoDom referes to genes that are on a given loci that are both expressed in some degree. When present together, genes will both influence the appearances of the same trait.

Example:
The CoDom Mack Snow in Leopard Geckos -

CoDom Mack Snows ("het" for Mack Snow) show the Black and White coloring with a bit of yellowing

CoDom Mack Snows (Expressing Mack Snow) show the Black and White coloring

I emailed sunsetdragonranch.com, who assured me her 2 are snows with clear nails. Being that they where unrelated and one was supposed to be a female I assumed he would keep records of some sort and be able to sell me a female that is unrelated to at least one of her males.......
But he doesn't, and cant. So I am faced with the delema that I would have to out my suprise to see if she knows who their parents where. She does keep good records, but there goes my suprise!Besides, like I have discovered. the babies might not even turn out white!
Or
I emailed Dachiu.com, to see what line she recommends for the greatest chance of white babies that will become white adults. I also asked when she might have the Marketed Luecs available.
She did have a few males that she put up for sale yesterday. One was totally white the other two wernt completely white. They are snow/het/luecs with clear nails. (I think thats how it went). But they were all males. Cutties!
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Wendy
Tattooist by Trade
Chameleon Keeper by Heart
Daughter of "DragonLady" Breeder of High Color High Quality Bearded Dragons
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4 Veiled Sunbursts
4 Blue Bar Amblobes
2 Nosey Be's
2 Sambava's
2 Tamatives
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Edited on January 8, 2006 at 18:53:26 by phwyvern.