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neat clutch from triple hets

rtdunham Jul 24, 2003 04:00 PM

This clutch from a pair of triple het hondurans just finished hatching. I got two anerythristics, including the dark one with several crossovers; a normal-looking possible triple het; a snow; and the light ghost at left. A pretty neat combination of babies...no hypo or albino, but i'll settle for this kind of mix. The suspense--and results like this--are what motivated me to produce and keep some triple hets in the first place.

Friends have two other clutches from the triple hets they got from me, five eggs in each clutch, due to hatch soon.

peace
terry
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Replies (9)

MarcB Jul 24, 2003 08:36 PM

A Snow and a Ghost in the same clutch!

How cool can that be!

Go to way! Master Terry

rtdunham Jul 24, 2003 08:39 PM

the snow in this clutch, by the way, is the animal that could actually be hypo, too, and thus the "snowbino" mentioned in the post a day or so ago. But the odds are 16 to 1 Against.

This is a reasonable time, too, to point out the flaw in the name "snowbino". A snow is homozygous for amel (albino) and anerythristic. In the name "hybino," the "hy" represents the hypo component, and the "bino" the albino component. So "snow" "bino" is a little redundant--it really refers to albino twice. what we need is a name that combines hypo and snow...maybe "hy-snow"? that suggests a sort of ultra-snow, which i guess is fair.

Other suggestions? Doug Beckwith of St. Petersburg coined the "hybino" term years ago and it stuck. Who'll come up with the name for the triple morph? (I'll ask doug!)

terry

shannon brown Jul 24, 2003 09:14 PM

maybe the triple homo would be a amel-ghost?Why would it be a hypo-snow?

Terry,If we bred a ghost to a snow all the babies would be anery 100%het for amel and 100%het for hypo.Now,put these guys together and I would think your odds would be much higher on producing the 1in64(triple homo)and I would think you would produce alot of ghosts and alot of snows in the same clutch?And there would be a slim chance of producing any wild types(unknown hets).

Just my weird thoughts????

shannon brown

rtdunham Jul 25, 2003 02:36 AM

>>maybe the triple homo would be a amel-ghost?Why would it be a hypo-snow?
well, you're right, sure. OR it could be an anery-hybino. in fact, it's any or all of those things. I'm just looking for the term that's most descriptive and easiest to remember. doug beckwith suggested snow ghost, that rolls off the tongue pretty well but it suggests TWO animals that are anery, so that's not quite right either.
>>Terry,If we bred a ghost to a snow all the babies would be anery 100%het for amel and 100%het for hypo.Now,put these guys together and I would think your odds would be much higher on producing the 1in64(triple homo)and I would think you would produce alot of ghosts and alot of snows in the same clutch?And there would be a slim chance of producing any wild types(unknown hets).
right again, an animal that's homozygous for one morph andhet for the other two is gonna produce more good stuff than a straight triple het; even better would be a pairing where each animal is homozygous for one morph BUT A DIFF MORPH THAN THE MATE, and then het for the other two. And even better yet, animals that are double-homozygous but not the same double-homozygous, and het for the third morph (example, snow het for hypo X ghost het/amel, super high production.
>>Just my weird thoughts????
>>
>>shannon brown

fantasyreptiles Jul 25, 2003 02:35 PM

I have heard of some calling some of the corns Hypo Snows and I kind of liked the sound of it? Maybe its just me.

Matt

jeph Jul 25, 2003 06:45 PM

Its easy for people to understand too. The hondo is going the way of the corns. Its gonna be crazy to see how it will turn out in the next decade, i hope a recessive gene for a pure striped hondo comes along someday. I think a tricolor hypo "striped" hondo would be the coolest looking hondo there could be, an awsome looking red-orange ventral and lateral scales with a cream colored stripe going down the spins borderd by the hypo brown, man that would be an awsome snake. I'm sure we'll see it someday.
Jeff Teel

mgl Jul 25, 2003 09:24 AM

How about the name "ghost snow" or "snow ghost"---even though the anerytheristic gene would put you in the same dilemma.

Maybe even white ghoSt (or pink or green indicating the color of the snow and the capital S in ghost indicating that a snow is within the trait and not just describing a type of regular ghost)

Or instead of the the color of the snow, use the color of the hypomelanism (what it would look like on a hypo, not actually visual on the triple homozygous)--grey snOw, purple snOw (O being the same as the S above--this time indicating ghost)

or again...frosted ghost, cold ghost, chilled ghost, snhypow (pronounced snipo), colorless ghost (for amelanism)

just some crazy thoughts
mgl

mgl Jul 25, 2003 10:10 AM

How about "frosted ghost" or "snhypow" (pronounced snipo)
just some thoughts
mgl

jones Jul 26, 2003 12:22 AM

Snhypow is definitely the coolest name for a morph ever. I love it. Snhypow!!!!! lol
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