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What are the rarer Mountain/Tree Dragons being bred today

toyvet Jan 03, 2006 02:14 PM

Wanted to ask what are the rarer Mountain/Tree Dragons species being bred today in either US or European collections ? Thanks

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FroggieB Jan 07, 2006 03:32 PM

I can only answer for what I am aware of. It is of course possible that there are breeders out there working with animals that we aren't aware of yet.

I have been working with the mountain horned dragons, specifically Acanthosaura capra, for a few years now and have just been blessed with 2 clutches from my first efforts with my Acanthosaura lepidogaster. These of course are not some of the most rare dragons, but still could be a first as far as I am aware.

The Denver Zoo has successfully hatched some Gonocephalus, not sure which sub off the top of my head right now.

Scott Corning has been successfully breeding Hydrosaurus and has sold off some of the offspring.

There is a Devon, don't know his last name, who has had some success with breeding and incubating Dracos. Again, I'm not sure what subs and I'm not certain what success rate he has had with the hatchlings.

These are all somewhat fragile animals when it comes to establishing the wild caught animals so I feel that any success is a major step.

If anyone knows of any others that should be noted please jump in!
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Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
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FroggieB Jan 07, 2006 03:34 PM

>>I can only answer for what I am aware of. It is of course possible that there are breeders out there working with animals that we aren't aware of yet.
>>
>>I have been working with the mountain horned dragons, specifically Acanthosaura capra, for a few years now and have just been blessed with 2 clutches from my first efforts with my Acanthosaura lepidogaster. These of course are not some of the most rare dragons, but still could be a first as far as I am aware.
>>
>>The Denver Zoo has successfully hatched some Gonocephalus, not sure which sub off the top of my head right now.
>>
>>Scott Corning has been successfully breeding Hydrosaurus and has sold off some of the offspring.
>>
>>There is a Devon, don't know his last name, who has had some success with breeding and incubating Dracos. Again, I'm not sure what subs and I'm not certain what success rate he has had with the hatchlings.
>>
>>These are all somewhat fragile animals when it comes to establishing the wild caught animals so I feel that any success is a major step.
>>
>>If anyone knows of any others that should be noted please jump in!
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>>Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
>>www.froggieb.com/MHDHome.html
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Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
www.froggieb.com/MHDHome.html

toyvet Jan 08, 2006 07:04 PM

Thanks Froggie.....
Someone sent me a pic of the latest issue of Reptilia magazine with a cover of an arboreal agama with a very pronounced nose horn....simply stunning.I am waiting for my issue to be delivered...wanted to know what sp this was ? WOW !
Horned Agamid on Cover....STUNNING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FroggieB Jan 09, 2006 03:58 PM

That is a Harpesaurus beccari from Sumatra. You'll have to let me know if there is anyone working with them. They are amazing looking animals. There are many wonderful agamas with all sort of horns and fins and spines. They seem to be a very diverse group of creatures.
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Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
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toyvet Jan 09, 2006 10:34 PM

FroggieB....Could you recommend any book that lists and shows Harpesaurus beccari and other rare Tree Dragons ? Thanks.
Greg

FroggieB Jan 11, 2006 05:31 PM

The book I look everything up in is a T.F.H. book titled Agamid Lizards by Ulrich Manthey and Norbert Schuster. Great photos for identification with country of origin and as much information as was available when the book was originally published in 1992.

I believe this is still in print.
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Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
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Ingo Jan 12, 2006 04:03 AM

The book "Amphibien und Reptilien Südostasiens" from Manthey and Grossmann provides many more Pics on Gonocephalus and Acanthosaura than the small Manthey Schuster booklet.
Also there was a series of Gonocephalus papers fronm the same autors in sauria (look at the archives at sauria.de).
I do not know whether these appeared in the english edition as well.

In a nutshell in Germnay there are not many breeders who breed Agamids form this group.
Most frequently bred are Acanthosaura capra, A. crucigera, Gonocephalus chamaeleontinus and G. grandis.
Some breeders these days also breed A. armata.
Most other Gonocephalus species have been bred only once, twice or a few times. Most species by Manthey himself.
Also there is at least one quite successful breeder of Lyriocephalus scutatus in Germany to expand the species spectrum. This guy also had some success with other agamids from Sri Lanka like Ceratophora stoddarti...#
I know no German breeder of any Hypsilurus.

Hope that helps

Ingo

FroggieB Jan 13, 2006 11:49 AM

That is interesting! Ingo, you don't mention the lepidogaster, does that mean they haven't been bred yet of did you just leave them out?

Marcia
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Ingo Jan 13, 2006 06:28 AM

The Specimen depicted on that cover is one of very few specimens found ever.
No one is workung with these beauties and the community is still waiting for refinding, pics and more info on the other, partially even more bizarre (just think of Harpesaurus modigliani) , species of this genus.

Ci@o

Ingo

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