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Happy New Year everyone!

I had some fresh sheds on a few new additions so I thought I'd share some pics. I snapped these last night in low light, so some are a bit fuzzy.

The yellow MSP is a 2005 female and was produced by Rick Millspaugh. The next two were produced by Jim Stelpflug; a 2004 yellow leonis male and a 2005 buckskin leonis female with a high band count.

Maria

and a few more......

These two were also produced by Jim Stelpflug. The first is a little 2005 male with reduced pattern and color (2 pics). The second is an early 2005 olive bowtie female that I have had for awhile, but she just shed as well.

Regards,
Maria

You managed to get a better pic of her than I could and looks like she is very well fed, I still like her head pattern too. I like the high band count on the other female and the “bow tie” is very interesting. The odd shaped marking on the back of the head of the reduced pattern male is very different too.

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Rick
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Hi Rick,

I really love her head pattern, too. Her colors are just beautiful; a nice rich yellow and glossy cherry red. She's had a great feeding response ever since I got her from you. She ate two f/t pinkies, then shed 2 days later for this pic.

Here's a closeup of her head pattern, as well as a closeup of the other male's head. Hopefully in a couple years I can breed him to the "bowtie" female. I just love the reduced pattern and nice clean sides on these two.

Thanks for the comments.
Maria

...but the two in your second post are very unique. I really like the way their pattern is raised with the sides being nice and clean, that's somewhat uncommon and very attractive. Together with the faded saddle centers, those two are both quite stunning. Would they happen to be sibs, or related in any way?

Thanks for sharing.

Mike

I was just commenting the same thought to Rick. I think those two are my favorite for the same reasons you mentioned. I know their colors are not flashy, but I love the bowtie pattern in general (I remember your gorgeous peachy VR F1 bowtie female!). I especially like the faded saddles and patternless sides as well. John Lassiter shared a picture awhile back of an animal that looked similar to the male. It had hollowed saddles with dot alternates along the sides. Very unique look, and a bit different than Dan V.'s classic open keyholed line. I'm going to be saving my pennies though for a pair from Dan V's line. I absolutely love his line of white, open keyholed, reduced colored animals.

I don't know for certain, but I'm willing to bet that the bowtie female and little male came from the same parents. I guess it doesn't matter too much since I plan on line breeding those two. The hard part will be waiting until they are big enough.

Best Regards,
Maria

The full body shots really show your female off well. She is just awesome, you are very lucky to have her and you know... you anticipated my next question. I was going to ask if you had plans to pair those two and I am pleased to hear the answer is yes. I certainly hope you are still here with us when they begin producing those special babies; I'm really looking forward to seeing that happen. I see some other interesting things going on with the pattern in both the male and female, should be a lot of fun!

I'm surprised you remember my VR female, her bowtie pattern is why she is here. Her saddle centers are becoming more and more faded as she grows and I have some nice males for her, including some of those really nice whites from Dan. Believe me, when you finally get your hands on one of his beauties, you will be very happy. And speaking of his superb white thayeri, next year will be my first year to work with one of his beautiful white females... my most anticipated clutches next season. YAAAAAAAHOOOOO!!! I know too well the difficulty of waiting... and that waiting is finally coming to an end!

Mike

That F1 VR female... if I am lucky enough, maybe she will produce something similar to your beautiful female some day?!!

...those little bowties on your VR F1 girl are just perfect! All the same size and completely formed. She's incredible! Do you have pictures of males you plan to hook her up with (Dan V's or others)? Do you have any others with bowtie or reduced patterns? I can't wait to see what you produce from your Dan V male and female. Should be an exciting summer!

Another reason I think that my bowtie female and "squared" pattern male are related is that they both have a "collared" neck pattern. The female's looks like the two points of a dress shirt and the male's looks like a scoop neck t-shirt. I don't know how often these neck patterns appear. They may be more common than I realize, I just don't recall seeing them before.

I'm afraid I'm a terminal thayeri and mexicana kingsnake forum junkie now, so I plan on hanging around this forum for many years to come!

Cheers,
Maria

...and I'm sure Tim would too. And I thank you for your kind words and excitement! I enjoy your obsession and look forward to your experiences and sharing them here. You're a lot of fun to have around.

That wild female Tim is working with does produce some very interesting babies. Many of them have shown the bowtie trait and it seems to reappear in successive generations. I have a number of offspring from this lineage, and with a good start from my young female and the others; I hope to see a lot of it. I would like to see a very nice bowtie pattern against clean white, yellow, peach and orange ground colors. Now you know the dream for one of my thayeri projects!

From what I've seen, that collar shaped nuchal pattern isn't what I would call uncommon, but you don't seem to see a lot of it that is well shaped and your male is very unique. This pair of yours really is impressive Maria. Aside from their terrific pattern traits, their attractive minty green ground color really catches the eye. The offspring from those two are going to be phenomenal.

Talk to you soon!

Mike

Photos of a '03 female and '04 male, both produced by Dan Vermilya. Both of these animals are specimens from his white thayeri project. The female in the top photo I've shown before, she has color and saddle traits that are somewhat similar to your young pair... minus the awesome raised saddles and patternless sides. Thought you would like to see her in case you didn't catch the earlier post. The white male in the bottom photo is a product of the same wild bloodline as the F1 bowtie female. His mother is another exceptional F1 produced by Tim of Vivid that Dan has been working with. This young white male is one of several males I have in mind to be paired up with the bowtie female; he will most likely be her first. Think it's a good choice?!!

Those two snakes are stunning, Mike. It sounds like you've got some terrific projects lined up!

Since this thread is getting old, I'll continue on through e-mail. I got really busy this weekend and didn't have a chance to post.

Maria

I look forward to seeing update pictures of those beauties in the future. All of them were outstanding.
Happy Herping,
Uncloudy

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