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It was a flash of brilliance.....LOL! Ok, it's just me thinking out loud.
We have seen that females can have babies from different fathers in one litter. Like Mike W's litter of albinos, motleys, etc.
We also know that if you breed a normal boa to a Co-Dominant hypo generally half of the babies will be hypos. Or, there abouts.

Say you have a normal female and two Co-Dominant hypo males. If she was bred by both males "would" that increase the number of hypos in your litter? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......What do you think?
Again, just thinking out loud.
John
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"To be the best..........You must lose your mind."

I have a couple females that have been bred by an arabesque and a poss jungle male.. If they take I'll have some more to add..
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Ed Lilley, www.constrictorsnw.com

I would think the odds would be the same?
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Take Care,

-Ryan Homsey

www.topnotchboas.com

I'll second that.
Long time no see, folks.
*slinks away into the darkness*
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Jeremy J. Anderson
Gem State Reptiles
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we all saw how there were sunglows and motleys, but do you think the genes can combine, or help one another?

Like let's say it was an albino female, and you bred her with an albino male and a motley male..

do you think you could hit on getting albino motleys? which would only happen if both male's sperm 'combines' and probably penetrates the same egg together?

probably a VERY slight chance of that happening...

but imagine? imagine if that became the new way to get new morphs?!?!?!

There aren't any bloody albino motleys yet...

Imagine breeding a blood female het albino with a motley male, and a salmon male DH bloody albino

and then you get bloody sunglow motleys!?!?!?!

I gotta stop and catch my breath for a second here... lol

fun to speculate...

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

sperm would have to combine and then fertilize the egg. Impossible. Nice thought though, I mean it would be pretty sweet if it was possible.

Bob McPhee

one allele comes from mom and another from dad, making it impossible to produce supers with two codom salmons in with a normal female. Or whatever other mutation combination can be had from multiple males bred to a single female.

Example - Super Salmon and a Codom Salmon are in with a normal female. If both males were to fertilize the female, this would lower the salmon to normal ratio. The codom salmon has a 50 percent normal to 50 percent hypo sperm ratio. The mother adds no mutations. Breeding the supersalmon alone, wtih a 100 percent hypo to normal sperm ratio, would produce more salmons with the normal female. No supers would be possible without the female being a hypo herself.
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Take Care,

-Ryan Homsey

www.topnotchboas.com

The Hypo gene (or any other) has to be present in both the ova and the sperm to allow for a possibility of homozygous offspring.

>>we all saw how there were sunglows and motleys, but do you think the genes can combine, or help one another?
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>>Like let's say it was an albino female, and you bred her with an albino male and a motley male..
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>>do you think you could hit on getting albino motleys? which would only happen if both male's sperm 'combines' and probably penetrates the same egg together?
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>>probably a VERY slight chance of that happening...
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>>but imagine? imagine if that became the new way to get new morphs?!?!?!
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>>There aren't any bloody albino motleys yet...
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>>Imagine breeding a blood female het albino with a motley male, and a salmon male DH bloody albino
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>>and then you get bloody sunglow motleys!?!?!?!
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>>I gotta stop and catch my breath for a second here... lol
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>>fun to speculate...
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>>Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
>>'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin
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"To be the best..........You must lose your mind."

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

is that after penetration by the sperm it doesn't allow any other ones in.

A Sperm's membrane in not permeable to another sperm, and an egg can only allow in one sperm.

So it is IMPOSSIBLE, it would be nice if it could work though.

do you really think it is impossible for 2 sperm to penetrate an egg? or for the sperm to penetrate together?

How do you think we get twins, conjoined twins, siamese twins,and more?

I'm not trying to argue, just throwing that out there... there are always exceptions to the rule, and always possibilities outside of what makes sense to us.

I think some of these things with low possiblities are starting to show themselves more and more these days...

What happened to Mike actually happened to one or two others this year. Before then, we never heard of it.

Just like how many, many years ago, even if one parent had blue eyes and one had brown, it was almost guaranteed that the baby would have brown eyes.
Over the years I think those smaller chances are getting bigger..
We are seeing now more light eyed babies born to two dark eyed parents.
We are seeing random mutations and morphs popping out of normal breedings.

So, in closing, although we are taught that this shouldn't be possible, and if it were, the chances would be so small, it's almost not worth discussing, I think we may begin to see more of these 'impossibilites' going forward.

I'll tell you this, I believe that if Mike were to do that same pairing for 10-20 times in a row, I think we would definitely see this occur. Even if the animal were born still, or not fully formed, I think it will eventually happen.

Well, enough fun for the morning..lol.. gotta get some work done.

Later guys, Joe
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

I will talk to a few friends who study Biology religiously. But I think there is something in the makeup of the membrane of both ova and sperm that prevent this theory from taking place.

An fertilized egg can split after fertilization (or partially split), this is the result of identical or conjoined (Siamese) twins.
I am almost certain that one sperm cannot penetrate another. However it may be possible for two sperm to enter the ova at EXACTLY the same time. However, nature may have a way to control this. This may result in a dead embryo, or ova if fertilization doesn't happen first.

It is definately interesting and worth discussing.

Also, a sperm carries half the chromosomes to make an organism, the ovum carries the other half. If two Sperm are in the same egg, they both cannot contribute their half. Either only one would be functional, or they each would contribute a part (which I do not think is possible).

This stuff is fun

Check out this web page for pictures of mosaic pigeons. Unfortunately, as far as I know, mosaic pigeons do not reproduce themselves. They are fertile, but the condition does not get passed on.

Paul Hollander
Mosaic pigeon web page

Then, it might happen, but they would be one of a kind? THAT could be interesting.

Quig

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

in a long time. Good find and thank you for bringing it hear.

Bob McPhee