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This Eastern King(a CB 2005 animal) ate this Ringneck snake on September 15, 2005. I think that Keith posted one of these pics way back then.

So much for the toxicity of Ringneck snakes (at least for this one specimen).

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Peter Jolles
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Edited on January 8, 2006 at 18:30:09 by phwyvern.

I thought you ate a freakin Ringneck snake and died lol. 'Bout time you resurfaced. Nice pics by the way.

Keith
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Just to let you know "Georgia Boy" and "Bonkers" are doing great. I told John that's the big guys name (Georgia Boy) from now on! I'll try to post some pics of the two hopefully this weekend, although they're probably in shock - first time at 50 degrees for the two of them (John said he never cooled them off before, if I remember correctly)!
BTW: Measured the snakes: Bonkers is about 58" and Georgia Boy is an even 72"!!!
Later,

Zee
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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

Sweet she is near 5' and that big male is a sold 6 footer huh . I knew he was pretty big when I sent him to John. Post pics as soon as you can of both of them. Look forward to see what you can do with them.
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I will try to post some pics of them later tonight.

Zee
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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

It's funny, because that 05' SC male I got from you also ate a ringneck (with NO ill-effects), a couple of deformed corns, ratsnake, and a few other small snake species. . .
Later,

Zee
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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

Haven't we been over this? Feed it a western sub-species of ringneck snake and watch what happens.
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Mike
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have to admit. . .havn't tried that one yet (with an Eastern), but can the two subspecies that look so much alike and are so closely related have that much difference in internal toxicity???
When I was 14, and didn't know too much, I used to live in Cali and had many different Cal kings and I do remember feeding them lots of ringnecks. . .

Zee
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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

Western sub-species are EXTREMELY different compared to eastern sub-species. In plenty of aspects... The majority of stories you will hear of ringnecks eating kings, or kings eating ringnecks and puking are involving western ringneck snakes.
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Mike
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What sub of Diadophis do think is in that pic?

Due to the lack of ventral spots and coloration of the ventral area it's a northern(edwardsii).
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Mike
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how does the Oregon variety of Diadophis rate?

I think the NorthWestern Ringnecks are the ones in Oregon. I had a 2.2 pair of those last summer for my studies and they are literally HARD captives. They define that totally.

I had an adult female eat a baby brown snake. They refused salamanders, frogs, and other snakes in ALL forms(prey items I was told they feed on). I was able to breed them, on the same night both pairs mated.

I eventually gave up on them and sent them to my research partner. He also got 2.2 when I did. They didn't feed too much for him either. Some specimens ate live frogs. After that they needed force fed frogs once a week just to keep their weight up.

Baby specimens that he kept did well, feeding on fish and cut up frogs.

We are not sure what wrong with the adults, maybe it was the shipping in warm weather? Either way it went badly, and we are hoping to start again this year with fresh adults hopefully from several localities/states.

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Mike
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what i wanted to know about is the toxity of the northwestern Diadophis, like are they as potent as the other western subs?

Well, no.

A bitten frog takes up to 48 hours to die and baby snakes are swallowed still struggling. So their venom is basically not as strong as even the southern ringnecks(which aren't too venomous, but it kills in a timely manner).
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Mike
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