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rat birthing trouble

apeilia Jul 24, 2003 08:14 PM

I'm a bit confused at to what point and whether I should put down one of my breeder females. She is VERY pregnant and appeared to be in labor last night. Her whole body looked swollen (it was especially noticeable around the face) kind of like she had a massive infection. Her belly is hanging very low also. I was thinking last night that maybe the babies have died. There were no results this morning, but she is eating. There is blood on her underside and I'm assuming she has had some difficulties with the birth. I know it's only a breeder rat, but I still don't want it to suffer unnecessarily. I also don't want to have to kill it and lose a large litter of babies if I can avoid it.

Does anyone have opinions on whether they think she would still be eating if she felt sick or anything else? I'm giving her a bit more time. I've kept rats on and off for quite a long time, I've just never had this happen...

Replies (4)

DeMak Jul 24, 2003 09:20 PM

Sorry to hear about your problem. Longtang had a similar problem on july 10 2003, you might want to page down and check out that discussion. None of us want our animals to suffer. It's a tough decision. Good Luck.

DeMak

longtang Jul 24, 2003 10:58 PM

>>Sorry to hear about your problem. Longtang had a similar problem on july 10 2003, you might want to page down and check out that discussion. None of us want our animals to suffer. It's a tough decision. Good Luck.
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>>DeMak

Demak is correct. I had a very similar situation. The thread is titled "grave condition in a female rat." The end result was my euthanizing the female and attempting to save the babies by a home c-section. Unfortunately, none of the babies were viable. I lost the mom and the babies. { However, they are in my freezer, so they have not completely gone to waste.}

The female had crusted blood in the birth canal for 48 hours before I did the home c-sect. So, in my case, 48 hours was too late. It sounds like you may also have gone over the 48 hour mark. If I had to guess, I would say that the fetuses are probably already dead. I would also say that any chances of your female delivering the babies are probably slim to none. I mean it is one thing if it was one still born in a normal delivery. However, to delivery a whole little of still born at this point is very unlikely.

I often think back to my female and think about whether I did the right thing. I still say I did the right thing. If I hadn't euthanized the female, she was most likely going to die of an infection. Chances of her clearing her uterus of the dead fetuses by her self was slim to nil. I mean the whole reason that the fetuses died was that she had arrest of labor/failure to progress, in the first place. So, if she wasn't able to deliver them when the babies were alive, what are the chances that she would have delivered them when the babies were dead?

The only thing that could have been done differently was probably an early c-section. However, the trouble you run into there is: how do you decide? If you perform c-sect too early, you may be performing it on a healthy female. But if you wait too long, then you will lose both mom and babies. It is a tough call and is more art than science. I guess the best thing next time is: at the first sign of trouble, do the c-sect. But who among us has really the intestinal fortitude to perform the c-sect at such an early stage? I believe that our human-nature is to drag our feet, hoping and rationalizing that maybe things will turn around. Yet, that kind of thinking leads most of these cases to the point where both mom and babies become beyond salvation--a Very tough call, indeed.

Wish you the best. Please let us know how things turn out.

sincerely.
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Longtang. I like snakes and rats.

apeilia Jul 25, 2003 09:40 AM

I saw your earlier post. I just didn't see anything about whether your rat was still eating or not. I was mostly worried about whether she was in a lot of pain. Anyway, I was pretty positive the babies were long dead by the way her belly hung and how soft it was, so I'm taking care of her today. Though I normally thump my rats, I'm a bit worried about swinging her that hard with her belly like it is. I guess I'll do the exhaust thing. I'm trying to think whether CO would stay in the bloodstream or not, but I won't feed her to any snakes just in case.

My male is a regular hooded rat, and the three females I bought as feeders (the cheap albinos from petco). I'm assuming the feeders may be more inbred, since there is really no concern with longevity. Anyone notice if rats sold as feeders in pet stores have more problems than their "pet" rats when trying to keep them for a longer amount of time?

longtang Jul 25, 2003 11:10 AM

I remember that she was still eating and did not really even look sick. Her belly was full but not overly so. She did still eat. Her activity level was only slightly decreased, in my case.

Good luck.

You do raise a good point. Maybe I should get quality rats from pet breeders.

cheers.
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Longtang. I like snakes and rats.

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