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im just interested in who breeds or has for sale sinacorns
thanks

you really should ask the hybrid forum, your going to have a bunch of purists telling you how wrong hybrids are now
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jake

my addiction:
2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1 amelenistic corn snake (mazy)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)

i thought i was in the corn forum
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jake

my addiction:
2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1 amelenistic corn snake (mazy)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)

These are actually only 25% hono and 75% corn. Blows away and corn morps IMHO. Some large scale corn fanatics will tell you to buy only "pure" corns but they know that most of the corn morphs are hybridized . Hypocrites after the almighty dollar if ya ask me.

np

I don't think you can compare corns to corn crosses. They're not really the same.

Saying that, those are gorgeous looking hybrids. Wouldn't mind that hypo one myself.
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~Katt

cornsnake morphs are hybrids? I can only think of one that is popular enough to be bred and sold with any regularity.

Most all the corns are hybridized. Even the ones in nature breed with yellow rats , everglades, blackrats ect.

I understand that but I don't really think that most of the morphs are from hybrids--since it is only in certain areas that they would cross breed--by what you describe it would also imply that most ratsnakes are hybrids as well. With all hybrids you really never get them to breed true--there is always changes with the appearance of them in color and pattern.

Welllllll is this a hybrid?

The point is you really don't know. This is a snow corn looking morph but you cannot tell what is in it. Can you?? Or is it pure corn? most corn hybrids tend to favor the corn look and not the other. In clutches of 50/50's I have seen some come out looking just like corns.

Since the advent of the amel corns, captive breeding has many hybrids bred into cornsnakes. How do you know if you corn does not have Bubblegum corn or something in it? If you buy a corn and breed it to another u probaly have a host of other spp in it without knowing OR WANTING to know. You just want a pretty corn and if that what your peers say it is and you want to beleive it then that is fine. I am not here to rain on anyones parade. Just enjoy what you have because YOU like it. No need to justify anything.

About the only "pure" corns are the ones that only a handful of enthusiasts are keeping as locality corns. These are ugly normal looking corns from isolated populations that most people are not interested in. The locality corn folks are not as numerous as say the greyband or rosy boas herpers. The only pure morph I know of is the emoryi ratsnake. The others are mixed bred for color and have all sorts of things in them. Heck even what people refer to as Okeetee corns are not even from Okeetee anymore. Could be any nice corn coming from a het breeding of some sort.

And yes corns in Florida and Georgia (ie greenish ratsnake) do mix with other species of ratsnake.

You may think I am smoking something--but I think by looking at the pattern of the snake you posted it looks to me to have either obsoleta of emoryi in it. Keep in mind this is only based on what people are calling frosted corns or creamsicle corns. I do agree with you in the sense that if you like it then who really cares...I do keep hybrids and I also keep what I believe to be pure corns. I must say this has been interesting discussing this with you--I always enjoy hearing what other people have to think. I still believe that most patterns and color morphs come from pure lines--I think in the wild these snakes don't stand a very good chance to live since they would stand out to predators--it has only been in captivity that we really have been able to exploit their genetic diversity. This has been proven with the pattern and color morphs of Ball pythons and there are now two new morphs of Blackhead pythons--albino and hypo as well as many other types of snakes so why would the cornsnake be any different? I do acknowledge the existence of natural hybrids in the field but I don't think they play too much of a role in what we see today in the cornsnake market.

And yes corns in Florida and Georgia (ie greenish ratsnake) do mix with other species of ratsnake

Greenish Ratsnakes are intergrades between quadrivittata and obsoleta they have nothing to do with guttata...unless you are implying that greenish rats hybridize with corns...which of course is possible....but to my knowledge not been found in the wild yet, yellow x corn & Black x corn have.

It came from the same litter as the ones that look like obvious crosses. The corns seem to adapt back to the cornsnake look more than other hybrids I have seen.

Came from the same clutch as the ones previously posted and these below: