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for those of you who were nagging me to update our inventory for the zoo

taphillip Jan 11, 2006 11:27 PM

Though the current inventory is once again slightly outdated but still it's pretty close. sept 2005
Keep in mind that the information in the site is intended for the "average Joe"s ability to understand some of the topics.
There will be many more photos uploaded over the next month or so.
Let me know what you think.
Regards
Terry

( I thought I posted this earlier, but must have pushed the wrong button)? Or else the mod deleted it? If thats the case sorry for reposting...
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It's what you learn AFTER you know it all that counts!

Terry Phillip
Curator of Reptiles
Black Hills Reptile Gardens
Rapid City, SD.

www.reptilegardens.com

Replies (11)

joeysgreen Jan 12, 2006 03:43 PM

That's a great site, much improved over that last time I saw it... a long time ago. How far are you from Wisconsin? When I move down there I"ll probably visit you guys all the time, it's only 2 states over I think.

Some few things I noticed on the sight, was some of the venomous rear-fangers were on the non-venomous list. (mangroves, boomslangs). In the herps of south dakota list, there said that bulls get no larger than 5 feet (the exceptional ones). Is that a south dakota thing? My Albertan bull snake was last measured at 6 - 6,2. He's by no means the largest specimen around.

I also, excitedly noticed that you have Komodo's. Am I correct in that you are not an AZA facility? If so, does that mean that it is now possible for non-AZa facilities to obtain them? The website also said they definately were not venomous; perhaps talk to Dr. Fry for reference, but consider changing that.

How did you obtain so many Australian species?

In any case, I've long sinced regarded Black Hills as my #1 NA destination and my recent visit to your site has rejuvinated that

Ian

bthacker Jan 12, 2006 04:21 PM

My sister-in-law just got back from a 4 month job in SD. Never really thought about visiting there until now. Looks like a nice place you have there and a sweet list of reptiles!

taphillip Jan 12, 2006 05:21 PM

Wisconsin is a pretty long drive but very doable..

Ya, I forgot to move the Boomslangs. Our inhouse inventory records list Boomslangs as colubrids (which they are) and colubrids are brought up under our 'non-venomous' category. I'll see if I can get them moved. As for Boiga, they are venomous but not particularly dangerously so.
Research that has been done over the last few decades starting with Sherman Minton and now on to BGF among others, has shown that very few snakes are completely non-venomous (technically). However, for the sake of the general public's ability to understand we left many of those snakes as non-venomous as well as the Komodo. I have spoken with BGF as to the Komodo's status as technically venomous. It is fascinating research. Though I am not prepared too, nor interested in explaining to the general public that their 2.2 million pet iguanas sold each year, or the Bearded Dragons etc. are also technically venomous.
BGF could clarify if he likes, but it appears to me that the majority of the research has scientific implications and was not intended to change societies casual definition of the word "venom" So we felt it was best left the way it was.

In the S. Dakota section it says that the record was somewhere in the 102 inch length for the Bullsnake species. However, in S. Dakota we rarely see any but the 3-4 footers, I've had one 5 footer show up but like it states, those are few and far between.
I just figured that the record 102 inches would give the impression that they do attain larger sizes primarily in other parts of their range. I'll see if we can elaborate on that.

Also, you are correct that we are not AZA, We were approached to join many many times, but our stock holders have chosen not to each time. When we recieved our Komodo's I believe we were the only non-AZA institution with them, I would think there are more now as there are some really fine non-AZA Reptile Institutions in the Country but I don't know for sure. It is primarily due to reputation and the ability to properly house/care for them.

I've worked in collaboration with a consortium of zoo's in Australia for a couple of years to aquire the Australian species. It is very exciting stuff, many of them have not ever been seen in this country and others not for several decades. We are very happy to be exhibiting these animals.

It sounds like you are going to be visiting in the future, drop me a line when you do and I'll try to show you around.
Best Regards,
T-

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It's what you learn AFTER you know it all that counts!

Terry Phillip
Curator of Reptiles
Black Hills Reptile Gardens
Rapid City, SD.

www.reptilegardens.com

texasreptiles Jan 12, 2006 09:19 PM

Terry,

I think you guys have a wonderful facility, super collection, and your website is put together very well.

However, I'm a little confused by your statement,
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Also, you are correct that we are not AZA, We were approached to join many many times, but our stock holders have chosen not to each time.

The AZA approached your facility to join them????
Or maybe someone else approached you to join? (not an AZA representative)?

I have never heard of AZA approaching a facility and wanting that facility to become a member.

I have been a AZA member for many years and have gone through 4 accreditations at 3 zoo's I have worked at, and it has always been the ZOO'S that approached AZA, not the other way around.
Thats amazing!

Randal

taphillip Jan 12, 2006 09:47 PM

Randal,
I can't give a further explanation, as thats how it is told to me. It's not really my area of involvement, thats all above me I have no first hand knowledge of the inner workings of AZA or who are considered AZA representatives. So if the literacy of the statement is incorrect, apologies....hmm, goes to show what I know.
Hows things down south? I'm potentially going to be through that direction in March and again in August.
T-
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It's what you learn AFTER you know it all that counts!

Terry Phillip
Curator of Reptiles
Black Hills Reptile Gardens
Rapid City, SD.

www.reptilegardens.com

texasreptiles Jan 12, 2006 10:30 PM

Terry,
Things are fine down here. Un-beleivable warm winter.
Come on down!
We have many things to discuss.
Randal

taphillip Jan 12, 2006 10:59 PM

Yes, Randal we do....first of which is you not answering my last email to you.... you know the 5 dollars....! Still curious
T-
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It's what you learn AFTER you know it all that counts!

Terry Phillip
Curator of Reptiles
Black Hills Reptile Gardens
Rapid City, SD.

www.reptilegardens.com

Chance Jan 13, 2006 12:53 PM

What do you mean, "warm winter"? Surely, since it's just January 13th, the temps are in their normal ranges of teens and twenties... No? Are you saying that the majority of days this month have reached 60 ? And these freak TORNADOES we keep having in the dead of winter are actually happening (not 2 miles from my house last night, actually!). But....global warming doesn't exist, or at least, that's what the president says! Ahahahahahaha..... ah well, at least we'll soon be able to herp all year round!
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Chance Duncan
www.rivervalleyexotics.com

joeysgreen Jan 14, 2006 08:07 PM

Thanks Tad, I can hardly wait

Jaykis Jan 25, 2006 02:55 PM

lol....Terry's australian connections are legal, and the envy of most people in this country
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
1.1 Woma (Juvie female)
2.1 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.0 Angolan Juvie
1.1 Savu
1.1 Juvie Bloods
1.1 Juvie Balls
1.1 IJ Carpets
1.1 Coastal Carpets
1.2 Macklotts
1.1 Papuan Olives
1.0 Jungle Carpet
2.2 Scrubs (on breeding loan)
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

Jaykis Jan 27, 2006 10:55 AM

Terry...I was under the impression you also had rough-scaled pythons, but I don't see them on the list.
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
1.1 Woma (Juvie female)
2.1 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.0 Angolan Juvie
1.1 Savu
1.1 Juvie Bloods
1.1 Juvie Balls
1.1 IJ Carpets
1.1 Coastal Carpets
1.2 Macklotts
1.1 Papuan Olives
1.0 Jungle Carpet
2.2 Scrubs (on breeding loan)
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

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