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Advice Please?

Breeze007 Jan 12, 2006 02:22 PM

Hi

I am thinking of acquiring 3 cornsnakes and was wondering if you could help me decide a few things before I start looking. First of all, I would like to know if they are easy to sex at a young age? If so, can the same sex be in the same enclosure without fighting? I have done a little research and read somewhere that they don't need UV lighting. Is this true? Any and all information/advice/suggestions that you could give to a new and excited owner of corn snakes would greatly be appreciated.

Thank You :-}

Replies (9)

phiber_optikx Jan 12, 2006 03:12 PM

Any reptile vet should be able to sex them for you for not very much. They should each have their own tank. It is a VERY bad idea to house them all in the same tank. Good luck with them.
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"

goregrind Jan 12, 2006 03:20 PM

and as for the sexing, any good breeder will sex for you.
yes its true the dont need uv, i cant think of any snake that does.
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jake

my addiction:
2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1 amelenistic corn snake (mazy)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)

phiber_optikx Jan 13, 2006 12:43 AM

rough and smooth green snakes need the uvb.
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"

wisema2297 Jan 13, 2006 07:18 PM

rough green snakes need UV...

riddick13 Jan 12, 2006 03:20 PM

it better to have a pro sex the snake because a mistake could hurt the snake. corns don't need any thing really but heat and food, no lighting requirements. i'm one of the few that feel that some snakes could be housed together with no problems. each snake has its own temperment, like people, and handle situations differnetly. i have two females that to me seem happier together and i got two males that do fine together. i have others that i would never think of putting another snake into the tub with them except for breeding. to me you have to feel out your snakes and make the best descision from your observeations and the temperments of the snakes. this is just my oponion of practices that have worked for me but may not work for others. also others may not agree with certain practices, but if people disagree with your practices it does not mean your wrong. every one will raise thier snakes differently as long as the snakes are healthy is the only important thing to me.

Breeze007 Jan 12, 2006 03:47 PM

Wow thanks guys! I agree with what you have all said. I am the kind of person who acts on instinct rather than thinking things through a great deal, a lot of the time. And now that I think about it, maybe I should start with one first. To be honest, I am terrified of snakes {I promised my daughters I would get one after I acquired my Water Dragon a few months ago} but the corns come in such beautiful markings and there are 3 in particular that I have fallen in love with. I didn't want to house them seperatly as I believe if I did that to begin with, I would probably end up trying them in together in the future. I particularly agree with riddick in as much as everyone has their own special way of handling/caring for their herps/reptiles/animals etc. and that each and everyone has a different temperament. Like I said, I will start with one, unless I find a breeder who has more than one housed together. Even though I am terrified of these beautiful & fascinating herps, I will take the time to overcome my fear as I will probably be the one ending up cleaning, feeding and caring for them along with a whole house of different animals :-} I really am quite excited with the concept of learning about and caring for them.

Thanks again and if you can think of anything else that might help, it would be greatly appreciated :-}.

goregrind Jan 12, 2006 03:53 PM

that way you dont have to find someone to sex them i got one of my corns from cornsnake.net , you should consider them
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jake

my addiction:
2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1 amelenistic corn snake (mazy)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)

draybar Jan 12, 2006 05:00 PM

>>Hi
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>>I am thinking of acquiring 3 cornsnakes and was wondering if you could help me decide a few things before I start looking. First of all, I would like to know if they are easy to sex at a young age? If so, can the same sex be in the same enclosure without fighting? I have done a little research and read somewhere that they don't need UV lighting. Is this true? Any and all information/advice/suggestions that you could give to a new and excited owner of corn snakes would greatly be appreciated.
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>>Thank You :-}

They are not too terribly difficult to sex at a young age if you've had some prectice.
No they do not need UV lighting. That is correct.

COHABITATION
MY OPINION

I feel it is best to keep snakes separate.
I know a lot of people keep multiple snakes together without problems and it can obviously be done without being detrimental to the snakes. I just feel the possible drawbacks need to be expressed.
When a person gets the experience and knowledge of each individual snake and wants to try co-habitation, it is up to them. They just need to be careful and able to read the subtle signs of their snakes.
There can be definite drawbacks.
If one snake becomes sick there is a very good likelihood the other/others will get sick as well.
It may also take a while (usually too long) to determine which one is the sick one.
If one regurgitates its food you won't know which one unless you happen to get lucky and see it.
If one has a problem stool you won't know which one. Once again one may have a problem but by the time you figure out which one the other/others could end up with the same problem.
Although this is only a slight possibility, it is still a possibility and has been know to happen, one snake could eat the other. The smell of a prey item could trigger one snake to eat the other. Or simple hunger accompanied by a ready food source.
Although uncommon, it has happened and is a possibility.
Another possibility is unwanted pregnancy. A female might get pregnant and you may not have the knowledge, desire or ability to incubate the eggs or raise the hatchlings. With hatchlings comes the responsibility to raise them or find them homes.
A lot of people rationalize by saying, "I will just put two males or two females together". That can work but mistakes can easily be made, especially with hatchlings. You could easily end up with a male and female.
There is also a chance of a female breeding too young or too small and becoming egg-bound. Although uncommon, it IS a possibility and can happen.
With multiple snakes in an enclosure you stand the chance of loosing all of them if there happens to be an avenue of escape. Instead of losing one you could loose two or more depending on how many you decide to place together.
One or both of the snakes could be stressed by the presence of the other. Stress can cause a drop in appetite and lead to other health problems as well.
People will put multiple snakes in an enclosure and ask why one isn't eating.
When they are told it is probably due to stress caused by the other snake, the response is almost always the same "they like each other, they are always under the same hide together". Well this probably just means "that" hide or area of the tank has the optimum conditions they are looking for.
Snakes do not LIKE each other or ENJOY each other’s company.
There is no capacity for snakes to "like" or "enjoy".
I have kept multiple snakes together without problems but have made a choice to keep them separate. There is NO clear argument on why you SHOULD keep them together but there ARE clear arguments as to why you SHOULD NOT.
So, in my opinion, although people do it successfully I just don't think it is worth the risk.
If you decide to keep multiple snakes together, watch closely for any signs of appetite loss, regurgitation or any kind of “personality” changes. These could all be signs of stress.
You would also want to feed them in separate containers and give them an hour or so before putting them back together.
My 2 cents

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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twh Jan 12, 2006 07:34 PM

breeze007 i think you would be wise to purchase the book "the corn snake manual" by kathy love (cornutopia.com) it's the best book out there on corns,covers it all.have fun!

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