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VMSherp are selling chocolateXtangerine albinos. They look very nice. However, I had a question...

I was under the impression (perhaps false) that you got the darker albinos due to incubation temperatures. Is this the case or can you breed the 'chocolate' color like you can line breed for tangerine?

I was curious to know whether breeding a chocolatextangerine to another would produce a chocolate/tangerine or would the darker chocolate color be a result of the incubation temp not the genetics. Thanks for any help.
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2.0 Leos (Spot - Normal but oh, so sexy; Jessie - hypotang)
3.2.4 Fattails (Henri, Suwannee, Valencio, Dixie, Isis, Zipper, Pheonix, Hissy, and Snickerdoodle)
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0.0.1 sulcatta tortoise (Tinacious aka Tiny)
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0.1 cat (Mimi)

The chocolate color of an albino is simply just a result of low incubation temperatures.

Yes, it is due to incubation temps, even read it in Tremper's latest book
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www.StoplightCityLeopardGeckos.com

So breeding two chocolate X tangerine albinos would only produce babies with the chocolate coloration if they were incubated at a low temperature, and if they were not they would be just tangerine albinos, correct?
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2.0 Leos (Spot - Normal but oh, so sexy; Jessie - hypotang)
3.2.4 Fattails (Henri, Suwannee, Valencio, Dixie, Isis, Zipper, Pheonix, Hissy, and Snickerdoodle)
0.0.1 redfoot tortoise (Sherman)
0.0.1 sulcatta tortoise (Tinacious aka Tiny)
1.1 Dogs (Zubin and Brenda)
0.1 cat (Mimi)

Yes you would be correct.

thanks
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2.0 Leos (Spot - Normal but oh, so sexy; Jessie - hypotang)
3.2.4 Fattails (Henri, Suwannee, Valencio, Dixie, Isis, Zipper, Pheonix, Hissy, and Snickerdoodle)
0.0.1 redfoot tortoise (Sherman)
0.0.1 sulcatta tortoise (Tinacious aka Tiny)
1.1 Dogs (Zubin and Brenda)
0.1 cat (Mimi)

the term "Chocolate" is just a marketing scheme tremper did to boost more sales

its not really a morph

anyone can produce a darker colored tremper albino by incubating for females
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Dan Quinn
Manhattan Herps

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Hello and thank you for your inquiry.

The chocolate color behaves in the same fashion as tangerine, a seelected
trait. Like all leopards, they are subject to a bit of color variation
influenced by temperature during incubation. But not enough to 'destroy'
the appearance. Witness the lack of variation overall between males
incubated at higher temps and the females.

VMS Professional Herpetoculture

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Should I call BS on them? Their males do have the same coloration as the females though so they have a point. Is it perhaps a combination of genetics and incubation temps?
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2.0 Leos (Spot - Normal but oh, so sexy; Jessie - hypotang)
3.2.4 Fattails (Henri, Suwannee, Valencio, Dixie, Isis, Zipper, Pheonix, Hissy, and Snickerdoodle)
0.0.1 redfoot tortoise (Sherman)
0.0.1 sulcatta tortoise (Tinacious aka Tiny)
1.1 Dogs (Zubin and Brenda)
0.1 cat (Mimi)

Hmmmm that's interesting. Maybe the trait does act similar to tangs, I don't know.

In Vosjoli/Tremper's book the caption right under the pic of a chocolate albino reads "dark colored "chocolate" albinos are the result of incubation temperature, not genetics". Then in the chapter concerning how temperature during incubation effects Leos it goes on to explain, that when Tremper was breeding his first albinos he found his females coming out much darker than his males. This lead him to experiement with incubation temps to lighten up the females. This was when he discovered incubating at a temp for the sex for a period then changing the temp for color worked effectively.

The comment about the lack of variation between the color of males and females can be manipulated through incubation temps, so that doesn't really make a solid valid point.

I am definately "genetically" challenged at this point, I'm learning but have A LOT to learn yet about genetics LOL But just from the things I have read I do believe the "chocolate albino" is more influenced by incubation temperature than any other factor.
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www.StoplightCityLeopardGeckos.com

It is possible to get dark colored male albinos by setting the temperature high for male for three weeks. Then you could lower the temperature which would give u a dark colored male when it hatches.

I had no idea about varying the temps for sex and then color. Thank you!
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2.0 Leos (Spot - Normal but oh, so sexy; Jessie - hypotang)
3.2.4 Fattails (Henri, Suwannee, Valencio, Dixie, Isis, Zipper, Pheonix, Hissy, and Snickerdoodle)
0.0.1 redfoot tortoise (Sherman)
0.0.1 sulcatta tortoise (Tinacious aka Tiny)
1.1 Dogs (Zubin and Brenda)
0.1 cat (Mimi)