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This photo was lifted from the site of the Berlin Aquarium and Gerrit (burnsy) was kind enough to contact them about its history. There's no locality info and the aquarium regards it as a Sinaloan per the breeder who supplied it.
I'm posting the pic for some input from you milkheads with a reasonable background looking at intergrades and "one off" milks. What ssps do you see in this snake?

Also, I don't believe we have pics available of unquestionable Abnorma with solid locality info but know there's a few out there. Would you Abnorma keepers post a couple pics of your animals please? Could be the first ever!
Jeff

i see syspila,red milk....the only thing that snake has in common with any sinaloae i've ever seen is the patternless anteroir of the body.but the red on the head,white labials/snout,and posterior triads look more like syspila to me....a remote second possibility/guess from me would be amaura.no i have not ever seen patternless specimens of either syspila or amaura,but there was a first time for everything,right?

BAM.............TO ME IT SCREAMS SYSPILA.......

Oh, easy, a smithi right..?,lol. Neat looking though.
jeff

I'd thought Blanchardi because of the snappy cheek bars but Smithi is not totally impossible. In fact, the pointed snout and width of the white bands is more "suggestive" of Smithi than Blanchardi.
Just wish there was more data available on this particular snake and Gerrit if you're reading this, please ask what they have to breed it to and more pics would be great...and hatchlings of course.
Scott do you see the Smithi in this snake?
Thanx Jeph, great input. Jeff

It looks very similar to the "patternless" amaura that I saw a few years ago...The dirty white banding on the tail are typical LA milk and the faint "saddles" of red were much brighter when they were hatchlings but a couple of them looked very much like this, several of these animals had banding on the last 1/2-1/3 of the body as this one does. Of course it would help to know how large this guy is.

Henry Dean has this photo on his website that shows the "saddles" i'm talking about...this one has striping on the last part of the body instead of the banding though

http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Zoo/6757/pic1058.jpg

Horridus@aol.com

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It's a red milk.....for now. I'll keep you guys up on any developments with that snake.
Jeff