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im thinking about building myself an army of pastel females to be bred with spiders,cinnamons and black pastels what are some of the other double morphs i can produce with them

pied pastels
pastaves
clown pastels
pinstripe pastels
black back pastels (anyone ever try these?)
stripe pastels
Woma pastels

I like the pattern variations, was always partial to patterns in my colubrids too. I hope more pattern variation keep cropping up.

Cheryl

see i dont want anything that involves recessive genes for the time being

you mean you want to see how much money you can make in the next 2 yrs right? I can understand the feeling of instant gratification that co-doms give someone, but to ignore simple recessive's is crazy. If you want to keep making money 5-7 yrs from now, you might want to reconsider. But to answer your question

Pastel sabel's
pastel lesser
pastel platty
pastel blackhead
pastel spotnose
pastel fire
pastel het red axanthic
pastel red axanthic

those are a few i think other people didn't post
Josh Hutto
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1.1 het albino (ben siegel, gulf coast)
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0.1 graz pastel female
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0.6 04 normal bp's
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4 various corns
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa (alan bosch)
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What would a black pastel X normal pastel look like?

Anyone done it?

any pics?
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OK back in the day (last year?) when black pastels were considered cinnys they they made pewter pastels when crossed with a pastel. Now cinnys and black pastels seem to be different and the cinny x pastel makes a cinny pastel and the black pastel x pastel makes the pewter pastel. The silver streak was from a super pastel x black pastel I beleive. Or at least thats how I remember it - sometimes I get confused too - someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Edited on January 17, 2006 at 22:51:24 by phwyvern.

i cant wait to hatch out a silver streak

A little clarification as I understand it regarding the Black/Cinnamon morphs(by the way not going to refer to them as Black Pastel, or Cinnamon Pastel since that tends to lead to confusion).

Firstly, from most of the pictures I've seen of the Supers(homozygous) from both Cinnamon and Black lines look identical regarding the pattern mutation (both lines create a patternless animal) but differ slightly in the color/hue, one being more black, while the other retains the brown/cinnamon color.

The major differences seem to be in the heterozygous forms of both, it is usually possible to tell the difference based on pictures alone as to what line(see hunters guide to cinnamon/black pastels). The pattern differences are noticeable here between the different lines(in the het form)but there definitely is a difference genetically that seperates the lines from each other. This difference reminds me of the variability between the two lines of "Clowns" that I have seen, one being way more reduced pattern than the other.

Now, it is hard to say whether the differences between the two lines is due to a) difference between the two genes, that causes a slight difference in the expression of them or b) the non-cinnamon/black genes that are linked to each respective line cause the difference in the phenotype.

Also, another thing regarding the cinnamon lines, I believe that they have proven to be compatible, meaning a black X cinnamon = Super Cinnamon/Black. The next question would be taking this hybrid Super Cinnamon/Black and breeding it to a normal, will it produce all cinnamons or all blacks, or a combo of both? Should most likely throw a combo of both, though visibly distinguishing between the two from same litter might be quite hard indeed.

Now as far as the pewters, whether it is a black or a cinnamon crossed to whatever type of "True" pastel will produce a pewter type animal, all it takes is one pastel gene, and one black/cinnamon gene, both being expressed within the same animal.
As far as the silver streak, if I remember correctly it is a Homozygous Cinnamon that also has one pastel gene being expressed(although this could be the other way around, not sure exactly), so take a pewter, breed it to a super cinnamon, and you get silver streaks, or bullets or whatever!

-Dan

He just can't afford the recessives right now. Some of them get kind of pricey for a beginner. I'd love to have a clown to cross with pastels and albinos but just don't have the cash and I WON'T finance a snake no matter how much I want it!

Cheryl

to the co/dom - dom part. But don't ignore the recessives, they make some dynamite pastel crosses.

Cheryl

Click link below to see an awesome picture of a Pastel, Black Pastel, Black Pewter & Silver Streak.
The pic is located on the Harford Reptile Breeding Center website.
Pastel, Black Pastel, Black Pewter & Silver Streak