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Here are some random shots i've taken over the last month or two when walking in and out of the snake room...

First shot is Panama X Hypo Panama copulation

Second shot is an 03 Hypo Sonoran pair... by this time I believe he was long done with her... she is currently gravid.. POS was back in end of December.

Third shot is a Sonoran orgy! lol..
4.5' Leopard Female
3.5' Hypo Sonoran Female
4' Leopard Male

i'll try to get the actual courting pics uploaded and posted soon... I actually tossed the 03 hypo sonoran male in here two after he finished with the other gal. He is probably all of 24" !!!
He was courting 3-4' hypo sonoran females in a blanket box rack drawer, and there was plenty of room left in there too! lol

Be back later... -Joe

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

Here are some more...

First pic is of the Leopard and Hypo Sonoran trio courting.

Second pic is of another pair of Hypo Sonorans I had paired up... the female, much more vibrantly colored, is of the original 'blonde' phase line of Hypo Sonorans.
They didn't like each other too much... lol

Last but not least, one pic is of my first Hypo Sonoran pair locked up good....

Breeding in a rack/tub.... gotta love it!!!

-Joe

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

np

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

Let's see, a few others...

First we have a gravid Hypo Sonoran Female

Then we have a little Corn Island Male trying to put the moves on a big Hypo Nicaraguan Female...

and last but not least, a 04 Male T Positive Albino Argentine cuddling with his Salmontine girlfriend.... does this mean they are done doing the deed? or is he trying to work her up to it?!?!?!

Time will tell.... lol

Thanks and best wishes to everyone else out there! -Joe

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

Good luck with all of those. Some of those will be very interesting.
Bill Kirby

Joe, you've certainly got a busy snake room. good luck with em all.

Quig

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

LOL, you're allowed, you're a breeder. I only own one BCI. We lookin' for a girl friend though.

Quig

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

How big are the Panamanians? They look huge!
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Matt Lerer
'Ghi Reptiles'
'Ghi Arboreals'

Hi Matt, that was a closeup macro shot.
The male is actually about 4.5 feet and very thin...

The female is about 6.5' and has good girth... about that of a thick 5.5' colombian boa.

Long story about how I obtained these, but they were WC there in Panama.
Funny how I sold the male immediately, and was looking for a better mate for the last year and a half....
only to end up buying him back to breed her! and he went straight to town!

Thanks, take care - Joe
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

Great animals Joe and thanks for the info! I was a little freaked that these things would be 10 ft. animals...
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Matt Lerer
'Ghi Reptiles'
'Ghi Arboreals'

I know what you mean...

I've seen exceptions to every rule..

I have a 8-9' Nicaraguan Boa

This 7' Panamanian Boa

and a 8-9' Sonoran Boa

These are all 6-7 year old ... maybe 10 years old

Then again, I have an 03 male hypo sonoran breeder who is smaller than an 05 hypo sonoran male I have!

But the difference in neo's is dramatic!

My baby colombians are about the size of my yearling and two year old dwarfs in most cases!

Thanks again, take care-Joe
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

There is no way that a sonoran or a nicaraguan can attain length of 8 foot even if they are 6 or seven years old.

I know that average lengths are just that, but out of the thirty or so Nics I have I dont see it....

If they are that long and as old as you claim they are, how can you be sure what they are? Too many variables to just throwing names on snakes without any background or history, or at the very least limited amount of background that may or may not be true.

Not a cheap shot at you Joe, as you have some awesome things going on and probably several potential litters that could make me a customer of yours this year. But, be careful as those that are into Nicaraguans, Sonorans etc tend to be very picky on the history and background of their stock and saying you have a 8 or 9 foot nicaraguan makes me wonder.....

If you have information on that huge "nicaraguan" that can be verified I will offer my apology to you right now.

Good luck with those awesome breedings you posted earlier...
Bob McPhee

I picked up that large sonoran some time ago from Daniel Raines, The Reptile Room, as an adult female Mexican Boa. She screams sonoran to me. I'll get pics to post.

The large Nicaraguan female came to me from JnJ Reptiles. She was a rescue, and they brought her in to get her back up to par. She was emaciated, bone thin and had rat bites everywhere. They were not familiar with CA boas and thought she was terribly underweight... They were feeding her 2 Jumbo rats a week for a bit. When I saw her, I figured she was a bit underweight, but not by much. She looked like a Nic to me, though I understand completely your statements.

I'll work on getting pics of them posted.

Thanks Bob
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

I almost deleted my post a few times before I posted it. I was worried it would come off the wrong way. You have some cool stuff going on for sure....

Good luck and I will be keeping my eye on all that you produce, I think I have room for at least one more....lol

Bob McPhee

Not at all... I am grateful for any comments, opinions and experiences anyone may share. That's the way I learned, and that's how many others will too.

That's one way I feel i've gotten an edge over others in some way or another... I listen, read, pay attention, ask, and take notes whenever I can... you'd be surprised!

It is very difficult these days to succeed without being open to this...

Plus, I don't take things personal.... I think it is a big waste of time and energy.

Stems from something I learned way back in Kindergarten...
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me!

Thanks again Bob, I was just waiting for you to post pics of your Nics for that post above... lol.. see what else you have these days

thanks again, Joe
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

still just a little fish in a big ol' lake....lol

This year and mostly next year will prove to be pretty eventful as far as the Nicaraguans...

Good post by the way, many people cold learn from reading that post....Sometimes people are so touchy on here and other forums.

Adapt, take criticism, learn, re-learn, and continue to learn is the motto I have taken as far as messing with this crazy industry we have all chosen to become involved with, whether it is as a hobbyist or something a bit more.

I need to get you to send me that patternless male nic you got from Mike at MnR Reptiles....

lol

Bob McPhee

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

Is that the same Dan Raines that live in Oregon? If it is, then he might of got that female from us? we where really into sonorans years ago, and ended up selling them all, I wouldn't doubt if thats the same Dan Raines that he picked a few of ours up. Interesting...
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www.executivereptiles.com

Thanks David. Where had you aquired your stock from?

thanks much, joe
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

Is that the Salmontine you got from me ? ...if so please do keep me on that list of the babies .. if thats her and it looks like her im kicking my you know what for letting her and the others go right now !!! HARD
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I'm not sure from the pic if that's the one I got from you or my female 75% that I purchased from Mike in 03.

I've had him in with both of them, and a poss het T Positive, and a Maxx Pink girl, but he's not showing much yet....

Time will tell.. but I will keep you in mind!

Thanks, take care - Joe
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

You need to change your username to SonoranBCIking.....LOL

I was wondering where all of them where disapearing too...LOL

Fantastic Love all of them, thanks for sharing, Congrats, and good luck with them, I noticed you had a pic of a gravid Sonoran, I was curious do your gravid female sonorans show little to no signs of swelling when ovulating and gravid? I am pretty sure my Sonoran is Gravid, but either she is having a small litter, or she's not gravid...LOL

Can't wait to see some Hypo Leopards....YEAH!!!

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www.executivereptiles.com

Hi Dave, she showed a small swelling at ovulation.. as if she ate a small to medium meal, not large...
The male lost interest shortly after, and the female now looks like she has a few small meals in her, and they moved down towards the tail.
Yes, if one could miss ovulation and gestation with a colombian, it is very likely one can miss it with some of the small ssp's!

thanks, take care - Joe
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

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BCIJoe,

What kind of substrate are you using in your cages? It looks nice.

I use cage liners for my adult cages.
I use DCL cage liner for large adults, and indented kraft paper for smaller adults, since it is not as thick and absorbent.

I use newspaper and shredded aspen for the medium sized racks.

I use shredded aspen for the smaller racks.

I use mulch for my ball pythons... yes, I have a handful of those too! lol

Take care, Joe

***** In the pics below, I have newspaper in most smaller stuff... that has long been changed.

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

Hope the all produce for you joe! take care and god bless steve

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

Looks like your boas have been REALLY busy lately! Hopefully you'll have your work cut out for you with all the babies this season! Great photos and good luck with them all!

Thanks,
Celia
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Celia Chien
www.ExoticsByNature.com

2006 Boa Constrictor Morphs Calendar
2006 Ball Python Morphs Calendar

I've been drooling over all those amazing pics of outstanding animals you've been posting lately!

I've actually been meaning to call you lately... had a few questions..

Best wishes to you and Sean this season and next!

Speak with you soon, Joe
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin