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2 are from a March 3 clutch and 2 from an April 3 clutch from Patrick Nabors. They look like tiny wild strawberries, and arrived via Airborne in hopping-all-over condition. I'll get some pictures to post as soon as they settle down a bit and the light is right. They arrived on short notice when a couple of people ahead of me on the list cancelled out.

They are in their little nursery right now. I have two tanks all ready for the pumilios and the leukomelas and have about a month to decide which frogs I will put in what tank. One is the 72 gallon bow front with the falls, stream, shallow pebble- filled pool, and lots of big bromeliads and other plants. The other is a 30 gallon tall hexagonal tank with a small bubbling pool (also filled with smooth river pebbles), several bromeliads on the back, but not a lot of ground space.

Please help me out with some opinions about this.
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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

Which tank for which frogs-- leuks or pumilios

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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

I'd use the smaller one for the pumilo . . . most breeders only use a 10. They're pretty small 'buggers, and a smaller tank will keep the food concentration higher. Plus, I understand that they like more height. However, I'm no expert in the ways of pumilio by any stretch, so my advice here is worth about what you paid for it.
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Homer W. Faucett III, esq.
Purveyor of Trivialities and Fine Nonsense

When I get elected Queen, will you be my vizier and vizard?
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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

lol! I would be delighted with respect to the title visier, but I prefer "tjaty" instead, as it refers back to the times of Egyptian pharohs (you could handle being Cleopatra, right?). As for visard . . . hmmm . . . I think that's used to describe a visor or grotesque mask. I'm probably missing something here--such a poor vocabulary I work with.

I say you forget about waiting to be elected . . . take your title by force!
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Homer W. Faucett III, esq.
Purveyor of Trivialities and Fine Nonsense

I meant wizard. Spoiled my own feeble joke. As for taking the title by force, I've been accused of this.

At any rate, thanks everyone. I'm going to put the pumilios into the 30 hexagonal until I can sex them. If I'm lucky enough to have a pair, it's an excuse to build another tank for the other two. I'm hoping the leuks will like the shallow water over pebbles and use this like your tincs do to play and hunt in, because it takes up a lot of the ground space in the bow front. They are actually pretty good climbers and someone told me on another post that they like the bromeliads to rest in, too. My galacs used the bromeliads until they got too big, fat and clumsy to stuff themselves into them.
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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

Well, I'm glad to hear that you don't want to use me as your grotesque mask. .
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Homer W. Faucett III, esq.
Purveyor of Trivialities and Fine Nonsense

I've had my own grotesque mask since my 50th birthday 20 years ago. It was attached to me while I wasn't paying attention, by an unknown perpetrator or diety, with Superglue. Since I was unable to remove it, I removed the light bulbs over the bathroom mirror instead. It doesn't seem to scare my frogs, which is all that matters now, anyway.
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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

for leuks or pumilios?

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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

If your going to keep all 4 together I go for the 72 wile I have never kept pumilio i know many people that do and have heard the bigger the better. Both tanks are killer looking BTW
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Brian Ferriera JR
Plympton, Ma

P. Terribilis (orange)
P.Bicolor (orange)
D. azureus
D. ventrimaculatus
D. tinctorius (Oyapok )
D. Fantasticus
D. leucomelas

That's more or less what I was thinking. The froglets aren't sexed, so I was planning on keeping them all together to see if I had at least one pair, then removing the other two to a different tank if any breeding started. However, with the really large tank and lots of territory and bromeliads, I might not have to separate them. I've read that the individual territories are pretty strictly adhered to and if they can't see each other, there might not be a problem.
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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

I don't know about the pumilio's needs, but leucs like their ground space. My colony of leucs use every inch of open ground to hunt and play in.
Those pumilios are sure cute. Good luck with them.

I know. My four leuk babies are already all over the place. Of all my frogs, they are the consistently the livliest, like hyperkinetic two years olds on a sugar high. I may have to simply get another 72 gallon bow and design them a football field. The hexagonal tank doesn't have much more ground space than their 2 gallon critter keeper nursery, and the floor of the 72 gallon is taken up by a lot of pond. Hmmm--Of course then--I'd just HAVE to have something else for the hexagonal, too. (This isn't an addiction; it's a metastasis.)
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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

man the pumilios are awesome , they are the cutest things. Makes me even more impatient for my imitators from patrick. How big are they? anyway i agree that you should put them in the bow front, lots of room for them to hop around and hunt, but i never knew they could be so terretorial.anyway the bow front gets my vote
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Nate
1.1 alanis tincs
0.0.2 Azureus (soon)
0.0.2 imitators very very soon

The pumilios are now about the size of a honey bee. Your imitators will also be about that size as froglets, but won't get much bigger. Their charm is in their tiny sized boldness, independence and athletic abilities. It's sort of a shock to open up the shipping cup, lay it on its side in the nursery tank and then have this itty bitty little thing hop out from the shipping foliage and take charge of cleaning up the spring tail/fruit fly menace you have introduced into their new home.
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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

With all the other frogs I've had since, my leucs are still my favorite! A friend that keeps others herp stopped by to see my darts for the first time today. 15 minutes after he left, he called to ask for fruit flies; he'd gone strait to a pet store up the street and bought the leucs they had. Like I said before, my spend most of their time on the ground. About the only time they climb in at night. They like to sleep at the top of the tank.

P.S. you can always save the smaller tank for MORE frogs!!

I had to move the critter keeper next to the glass door for light, so only caught a couple of them out and about. The markings are all different. This is one of the younger froglets.

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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

Great looking froglets you have there . . . they look so TINY and CUTE!
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Homer W. Faucett III, esq.
Purveyor of Trivialities and Fine Nonsense

So cute, I can't wait untill I have the cash for more froggies, I'm just can't wait to get some thumbs.

This one is a month older. It has some streaking instead of all spots.

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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

both tank are really nice. id put the leucs in the hex and pums in the 72 gallon w/stream. Nice lookin' frogs, are they they are related?

i know with mine that i will get they will be f2 from the same "liter". Im hoping I can raise tads later on but i wonder if people would be interested in f3 frogs? im not looking to make a huge profit or any thing (if i was i wouldnt be getting froglets )

aj
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Two are from one pair and the other two from another pair, but of course they aren't sexed yet. I was concerned with my imitators, who were all from the same clutch, so I did a search on the inbreeding of dart frogs awhile ago, asked about undesirable and lethal genes, etc. It seems that they don't usually have problems show up for up to 12 generations. Then there is a peiod of decline in which the undesirable genes are selected out, as the frogs either die immediately or don't compete well enough to pass them on. This is an over-simplification of what was explained to me by a geneticist and what I read here and there. I know you certainly wouldn't do this with mammalian husbandry, and those who have are the kind of breeders who bred the brains out of collies trying to accent the narrow head and long nose, perpetuated a nasty lethal gene in Arabian horses, (who must now all be tested for the carrier state for the registry), and made some racing stock (horses and dogs) so useless for anything but running. However, the Rothchilds have inbred for years--Kings and Queens did it throughout history, and Pharoahs married sisters and mothers to keep power and money in the family.

In view of this f3 isn't bad.
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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

You'll find that the inbreding of the Royals of Europe is what led to Hemophilia in humans. Many of the sons (the heirs to the thrones) died young of it.

Yes, I was about to say the same thing. That's why being a part of the "old money" in uppercrust society is referred to as being "Bluebloods".
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Homer W. Faucett III, esq.
Purveyor of Trivialities and Fine Nonsense

Patty,
Hope you enjoy the pums.I was one of the people that dropped off Patrick's list.I'd say the tank with the most broms would be the best for them.
Good Luck,
Mark W.

I forgot to thank you for dropping off, Mark. I'll take good care of your babies.
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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

Patty,
Myself I would put the pums in the hex and the luecs in the bow front. I think the luecs will need the ground space more than the pums and the pums will utilize the top area of the hex. Just my 2 cents.

TonyT

Plus.. Leucomelas are bigger then Pumilio. I think the bigger frogs should be in the bigger tank. pumilios like to climb alot.