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So you think those are slugs?
Here is a reptile egg on the right and a chicken egg on the left. They were both put into vinegar to remove all the calcium, yes ALL the calcium. Slugs are nothing more than un calcified eggs! I have been having non fertile eggs go full term so my advice to those of you who have “quote” have non fertile eggs is ask yourself why aren’t your females depositing calcium on your possibly fertile eggs?
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My understanding is that the egg on the left is a chicken egg that started out as a HARD SHELL egg, the one on the right is a reptile egg that supposedly started out unfertilized and I assume was yellow and turgid. How long were these eggs soaked or washed in vinegar? And you said this was an infertile reptile egg. It is my understanding that every egg needs to be fertilized in order develop ie. "full term" I am not knocking you, I am just not understanding you. Could you help me to understand what you are trying to state? My understanding is vinegar is a fertilizer????
Once the calcium is removed from a good egg it has all the properties of a slug. A slug has no calcium (in my opinion). I just wanted people to think for a minute. How are your Indigos getting enough calcium to make good eggs? Natural sunlight produces a vitamin that synthesizes the calcium thus making it available for the process of egg making.
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"How are your Indigos getting enough calcium to make good eggs?"
like most vertebrates, the bone is the major calcium reservoir. calcium is mobilized from this store when calcium levels in the blood start to drop, when calcium in the blood starts to rise it is deposited in the bone and excess is excreted by the kidneys. calcium blood levels are very tightly regulated, even small increases and decreases will cause problemns with neuronal function.
"Natural sunlight produces a vitamin that synthesizes the calcium thus making it available for the process of egg making."
UV is used for one step in the biosynthesis of vitamin D3. this vitamin (actually a hormone) signals the intestinal epithelium to synthesize calcium channels so that calcium can then be absorbed from the diet (calcium is an element and cannot be biologically synthesized). remember that the animals we feed to our snakes also contain vitamin D, which offers some assistance to calcium absorption.
matt
My infertile eggs are fully calcified in many instances and will go full term in the incubator. They look like normal snake eggs but are clear when slit open.
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The immediate assumption is that every slug is infertile. No, every slug is void of calcium not necessarily infertile. Not every calcified egg is fertile either. I just bugs me that just because there is not a layer of calcium on the egg it gets the label “infertile.” If the egg is laid premature or retained you will get slugs again possibly fertile but the calcium is jacked up. Maybe the problem with all these dud breeding is not a fertility issue but a calcium issue in the females ability to make eggs capable of going the distance.
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Matt this is good stuff I especialy like the (actualy a hormone) that explanes some of the outdoor behavior in my snakes!
UV is used for one step in the biosynthesis of vitamin D3. this vitamin (actually a hormone) signals the intestinal epithelium to synthesize calcium channels so that calcium can then be absorbed from the diet (calcium is an element and cannot be biologically synthesized). remember that the animals we feed to our snakes also contain vitamin D, which offers some assistance to calcium absorption.
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"I have been having non fertile eggs go full term" this is a direct quote from "sighthunter". I really need to know how infertile eggs can go full term???? If they are infertile, then there is no possibility of an embryo developing. If we refer to humans, women in particular, and put them in vinegar, does this make them fertilized????? Please answer this cause you did not give an explanation in your last post re: more secrets.
Most of us know about how UVB affects diurnal creatures and it is needed for proper calcium absorption. But then again, there are some of us (not me) who dont know about the benefits of UVB and really should learn about its positive effects on living and developing life.
I too have seen cribo eggs some hatch and the good looking ones that did not hatch I cut in two with a rasorblade and it inside was all congealed and hard like it was boiled...
there was no sign of an embryo, all creamy white colored...
It has happened to me about three times. The most recent example is three years ago I had seven coachwhip eggs. All of the eggs looked identicle. Four hatched. I slit three remaining eggs open and there was just clear fluid and not so much as a red speck inside. I had this happen with a gray banded kingsnake about four years ago the whole clutch of four eggs went 90 days well overdue. They all looked white plump and perfect and when I slit them clear fluid nothing more.
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I have also taken uncalcified "slugs" and set them up untill they totaly rotted cut them open and found an embryo trying to develop.
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