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Truly generic website commentary (long, and no URLs mentioned)

wftright Jan 21, 2006 02:36 PM

We've had at least one thread pulled on the subject of snake websites and what makes a good one. I'd like to chime in with some ideas for the person who originally asked for advice, but I hope that I can make the advice generic enough to meet TOS. None of this commentary is specific to that website. I'm almost tempted to turn this commentary into a critique of the popular commercial sites, but that would be overreaching. I will admit that one point came specifically from my trying to read a popular breeder's site.

First, when one creates a website, one needs to have a strategy and purpose in mind. When I've talked to political candidates about their websites, I've asked, "Where does the website fit into your overall campaign strategy?" (I'm not a real political player, but I was webmaster for Congressional campaign sites in '98 and '00.) The answers to the strategy question will determine what a website should be. With anything one does, having some idea of a goal is an important step towards accomplishing anything. For a herp site especially, there's no right or wrong answer, but one should have a purpose in mind before starting.

Are you creating a site primarily to show off your animals? If so, then you can put all of the bells and whistles on the site. If certain of those tricks aren't compatible with someone's browser or don't look good at a particular resolution, then you've lost nothing. Your purpose is to show off, and there's nothing wrong with narrowing your audience in order to show off to maximum effect.

Are you creating a site primarily to sell animals? If so, then you need to put more emphasis on flexibility than absolute design style. You need a website that will look good at most resolutions and using most browsers. All the fancy stuff in the world won't help you if half of your customers become frustrated because your site really doesn't work for them. You'll still want to create a "cool" factor to draw customers, but you have to be as accessible as you are cool.

Are you creating a site primarily for educational purposes? If so, then your design emphasis must be on maximum accessibility. You don't need to impress anyone with how cool your site is. Instead, you need to provide good information in a format that nearly every browser can display clearly, and you need to cut image size to allow reasonable access by those on dial-up. If your goal is really to educate newbies about husbandry and the general public about these animals, you don't want anyone to give up in frustration over a technical issue.

Secondly, JPEG images seem to have problems with white space surrounding a picture. I recently saw an example of five snakes on a white background. The snakes are blurry on the edges and "bleed" into the white space surrounding them. Sometimes, this problem is caused by having too much compression on the JPEG image. I've had other images that seemed to bleed regardless of how much or little compression that I used. GIF images don't have this problem. Another benefit to GIF images is that one can make the background color (white in many cases) transparent. With a transparent background, the image will show the background color of the page behind it. One image can put the same snakes on either a white background or a dark background. That versatility is often helpful.

Thirdly, one trick with colors is to use colors from an image on the page just as a mat highlights the colors of a framed picture. The eyedropper function on a "photo/paint" type program can grab a color from an image that will be used on a page. It's been so long since I did this trick that I've forgotten the exact steps. However, the point is to collect a color and get the "photo/paint" program to give the "hexadecimal" code for that particular color. (I don't remember whether these codes are really hexadecimal.) One can then use those codes to set background and text colors. For instance, one could use the bright yellow of a pastel ball python for a solid field on one side of the page. One could use the darker gold of a normal for a solid field on the other side of the page. One could use the lighter brown of a blush for solid bars. The text could be the dark brown from a snake's back instead of simple black. Using these colors around the page will bring out the colors of the snakes in the pictures.

Fourth, for navigation, I'd probably use buttons these days. When I had my own site, I used simple text links in the color fields on the left side of the site. I liked that look and programming was fairly simple. I might do it again if I ever restart my site, but I admit that this look seems to be out of style. Buttons can be a bit of a pain to make and program, but they look good. I'd also have an all-text navigation menu at the bottom of the white space on every page.

I'd pay close attention to the contrast between links and background colors. There's a code in HTML that will designate the color of links and viewed links. If one is using a dark-colored background, one should designate the links' colors to be light. I was visiting a page recently where the links were blue because that's how my browser is set, and I couldn't read them against the black background of the page. If the owner of that site had designated his links as a light color, his designation would have overridden my browser settings and allowed me to read his page more easily.

Fifth, putting copyright notices on every page that one creates is a good practice. I realize that pages under construction may not seem to have anything worth protecting, but adding those notices is a good habit to develop.

Sixth, the top of every web page has a title. The HTML code has a place where the web designer can insert a title code, and that code appears at the top of the browser. That code will also be the name of that page when one saves the page to a favorites file in a browser. When designing the pages, a good web designer will title each page so that someone who saves that page to his favorites will know what the page is when he encounters that shortcut in his favorites list in six months. Often, the default title is "home" or something equally generic. "Home" is a lousy title.

Seventh, original caresheets and husbandry articles will enhance any herp website. The snake sites on the web have all kinds of recommendations on various aspects of husbandry. For instance, some sites say that an adult ball python will be happy in a 36"x24"x18" enclosure. Other sites say that an adult ball python needs at least 48" of length. Some of the rack systems mentioned in these forums seem to be using even smaller enclosures for adults. I don't know the "right" answer, but if someone has confidence enough to build a website around snakes, he or she should consider telling the web community what he's/she's doing and why. Putting that information on a page isn't a declaration that everyone else is wrong, but the newbie looking for advice will appreciate reading as many examples of husbandry practice as possible.

A frequent forum contributor (who shall remain nameless in this commentary) has recently published an article about the f/t versus live feeding question. These kinds of articles make his website valuable to the community. I suspect that a search of the phrase "Should You Feed F/T or Live?" would produce this site.

Eighth, I'd love to see someone post growth charts for their animals. Maybe the people who have enough snakes to justify websites have too many animals to chart each one's growth individually. If publishing this information isn't practical, I understand, but someone who could give newbies some numbers to shoot for would be doing a good service to the online herp community.

Most of the sites that I've seen are pretty good. I typically don't evaluate sites in these terms when I'm just surfing (unless something about a site is particularly irritating). I'm not recommending that anyone with an established site make changes. For those who are developing a site, here are my generic thoughts before I've seen what you've done. Feel free to e-mail me specific URLs if you'd like specific comments. I suspect that others would also be willing to make this offer.

Bill

Copyright 2006 by William K. Kelly
(currently for posting on Kingsnake.com forums)

PS. A copyright notice this simple is a good practice for your site. You don't need anything else to establish your claim to your work.

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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

Replies (9)

vjl4 Jan 21, 2006 04:06 PM

A well designed website that is easy to navigate and aesthetically pleasing are a rarity these days and goes along way to giving people confidence in your business, plus it’s just nice to visit a good website that has all of the stuff mentioned in the post.

I can think of a few very good herp websites designed by a herp breeder but am not sure of the TOS for giving them here so I'll just say follow banners from the morelia pythons forum and it should be obvious who the web designer is.

Cheers,
Vinny
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wftright Jan 21, 2006 04:57 PM

I'm glad you liked the post. I wasn't entirely sure which site you meant in the Morelia forum, but I found a prominent link in that forum to a site that I thought was very impressive. The overall look was attractive without bing difficult to read. The guy had some beautiful animals, and his care section looked very interesting. Thanks for sharing this example.

Bill
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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

toshamc Jan 21, 2006 06:10 PM

Your post was well thought out - as someone whos looked at many many breeder sites over the past few years - I still am struggling with putting mine together. In all honestly I am more into content than concept or look. I want to see clear pictures (lots of them - especially if I'm buying something), clear information, I want the information to be easily accessible and not have to bounce around a bunch of places or figure someone else's jargon to get where I want to look. I think it really sucks that some people put in all the fancy bells and whistles and then doesn't bother to update regularly - old news, sold items, and broken links really are a pisser. I could care less about flashy banners, and fancy web design - I think your animals should be the focus and too much "extra" detracts attention. Of course too plain also looks like less than an effort was put in. Browser compatibility and the rest seems to be a nobrainer to me - but I'm a bit of a computer geek so maybe it's not to others.

My 2 cents and a quarter will get you a phone call I guess.

BTW - Cheryl at the Red Dragons Den has a page where she documented the size of some of her balls. People generally weigh their snakes on a somewhat regular basis, but I don't really know a lot of people that go through the trouble of trying to measure them. Since balls seem to grow at varying rates to compare the growth of one to another may be very misleading. You can have two snakes of the same age on the same diet in the same rack and one may grow twice as fast as the other. I have noticed you've asked about size weight length a bit lately so I thought I'd chip that in too - so I guess thats three cents.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

10.35.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.1 Lizard rescued from feline
0.0.0 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

wftright Jan 22, 2006 01:39 PM

Thanks for the kind words on this week's long rant. I always appreciate when someone is willing to read what I've written and give it thought. I agree that the important thing with a breeder site would be letting people get a good look at the animals that are for sale. Updating is another good point, and I'll add it if I ever do another version of this particular commentary. A site where nothing seems to be current makes me think that the person doesn't care.

(The long out-of-date sites also make me wonder whether this person has died and has a room full of snakes waiting to be fed and watered. I live alone and have few visitors. If I had a heart attack in my sleep, several days could pass before anyone takes the step of breaking into my house to look for me. One good thing about having snakes as pets is that they'd last long enough for someone to find me and rescue them.)

I haven't yet found the Red Dragon's Den site. My obsession with weight and length is from the hope that I'm keeping my snakes at a good weight. I realize that every animal is individual and that my vet thought that they were fine. However, I'd love to see the data and know that my animals are somewhat near the center of their distributions.

Furthermore, I'd just be interested in seeing a distribution. I'd love to know whether the distribution is normal or whether there are some interesting bumps. Knowing that female snakes grow larger than male snakes, I'd expect the distribution of adult ball python weights to show two humps. I think the biologists call that trait "dimorphism," but I could be wrong on the term. I suspect that both males and females would have a normal distribution, but again, the real curve would be interesting to see. If there weren't a normal distribution within each sex, I'd love to know what other factors caused differences. I have a buddy who uses statistics in his political science research, and we like to talk about these kinds of things.

Thanks,

Bill

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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

wftright Jan 22, 2006 01:42 PM

LOL No sooner did I click the post button when I opened another post and found Cheryl's link. I'm going to start looking there now. Thanks again,

Bill
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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

havic Jan 22, 2006 02:34 PM

great poast btw. You have a gray banded king right?
Well if you do i almost baught one at the expo yesterday.
iv'e always liked them it was an adult and 30.00.
they said it had a great temper. the one reason i did not buy him is i don't have a tank set up for him. and yes if we had the set up and the cash on hand we would have picked up 3 snakes
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2.1.0 ball python (aragorn, frodo, arwen)
2.0.0 columbian boa (wiggles and squiggles)
1.0.0 rat snake (alabastered)
0.1.0 corn snake (baby)
3.3.0 cats (rockie, bs, brownie, lerrado, kole, camie)
1.3.0 kids (dilyen, dakota, chyanne, sierra)
Brian n Chrissy

havic Jan 22, 2006 02:37 PM

oops i can't spell post not poast lol
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2.1.0 ball python (aragorn, frodo, arwen)
2.0.0 columbian boa (wiggles and squiggles)
1.0.0 rat snake (alabastered)
0.1.0 corn snake (baby)
3.3.0 cats (rockie, bs, brownie, lerrado, kole, camie)
1.3.0 kids (dilyen, dakota, chyanne, sierra)
Brian n Chrissy

wftright Jan 22, 2006 04:08 PM

>>and yes if we had the set up and the cash on hand we would have picked up 3 snakes

So this means that you only picked up two new snakes?

Actually, my second snake is a California Kingsnake and not a gray-banded. I like about all of them, but I think my first pick for a third snake would be a Thayeri kingsnake. If I were getting a fourth snake, I'd be torn between another ball python and a corn snake. While I'm satisfied with two snakes, I could probably go to three or four without too much trouble. Staying at two means that I can take a rescue if the opportunity ever arises.

Anyway, my California Kingsnake is shown below. He's a nice animal also, but I've been a little gun shy about handling him recently. He did something bad and it wasn't a bite. I'm particularly careful about letting him crawl into my shirt as he likes to do.

Thanks,

Bill

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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

havic Jan 22, 2006 05:25 PM

we almost picked up a 300 gram pastel, 900 gram normal that eats gerbil's only, and an adult gray banded king. so no we did not pick up any lol. if i had my w2 1 day earlier we would have.
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2.1.0 ball python (aragorn, frodo, arwen)
2.0.0 columbian boa (wiggles and squiggles)
1.0.0 rat snake (alabastered)
0.1.0 corn snake (baby)
3.3.0 cats (rockie, bs, brownie, lerrado, kole, camie)
1.3.0 kids (dilyen, dakota, chyanne, sierra)
Brian n Chrissy

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