I am wondering who out there is breeding pure Cribos. Interested in Getting Blacktails, Yellowtails and Unicolors.
Thank you in advance and if you breed them Please email me at J_Vipera@yahoo.com
Thanks
Justin
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Whos who ??? Cribos
Naja_kaouthia
Jan 22, 2006 12:21 PM
Replies (31)
Sighthunter
Jan 22, 2006 12:44 PM
Pure is relative with Blacktails and Unis since they have an extensive intergrade zone but the cleanest captive hatched Blacktail Cribos come from Chris Radon.
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Sighthunter
Jan 22, 2006 12:50 PM
There are quite a few people working with yellowtail the big producer last year was a company called (Captive Born.)
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Sighthunter
Jan 22, 2006 12:57 PM
Unicolor is the hardest call. There had been people hybridizing them with blacktail and producing Uni-looking snakes. I have heard that a pure unicolor is born that way no black tail even as a hatchling. I do not know of anyone that has what I would consider a pair of pure unicolor. Most of the nice unicolored animals around are males but as far as purity that is a tough call.
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dan felice
Jan 23, 2006 10:52 AM
bill, i am curious, how did you arrive at that conclusion regarding currently captive bred uni's?
Sighthunter
Jan 23, 2006 11:26 AM
The first source was actually a reply from my post a while back stating that he had a hatchling that was uncolored I believe he is the one doing Unicolor research at the L.A. Museum. The second source asks to be anonymous but informed that there were animals being produced for the market a while back and there are animals floating around that look Unicolor that are in fact blacktail crosses. The second source is very credible. I was not insinuating that they do not exist just hoping someone would clarify the issue for me and help me/us understand if there is a pure source or at least steer us in the right direction. If a wild pair came in Uni or they could be traced back to wild it would put things to rest in my head. Sorry for the confusion it is my confusion. I am not insinuating that you or anyone else is now knowingly making crosses just wanting to keep my own stock as pure as is possible………Bill
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dan felice
Jan 23, 2006 04:43 PM
bill, a blacktail/uni intergrade is a browntail which is quite different from a unicolor. it seems almost all imports tagged 'unicolor' are in fact browntails but that's because most don't know the difference. if you look at my breeders in the gallery, you'll see that they are indeed not browntails. as for that anonymous source, say no more, i think we all know who that is.......
Sighthunter
Jan 23, 2006 05:00 PM
No the ananymous source is not your old neighbor. I listed one source of information as Simias on the forum. The breeder that provided these crosses no longer breeds animals. How would you know what a cross looks like?
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simias
Jan 26, 2006 04:29 PM
Just to be clear: yues I am the guy who's planning a research project on museum specimens from around the world on middle american Dry taxonomy. I had commented that I'm not sure the black-tailed trait is entirely consistent with geography; we'll see. But I don't know anything about neonate colors; that's something I had asked for info about, but got no replies.
Craig Stanford
LA County Museum of Nat History, and USC
Sighthunter
Jan 26, 2006 09:54 PM
I thought it was you that actualy had a neonate with a yellow tail? I apologise if it was not you but I had spoken with someone who informed me that some are born with light colored tails. I may be able to go back in the forum and flesh it out...........Bill
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Sighthunter
Jan 23, 2006 05:08 PM
You self admitedly know someone who has crossed the animals? Do you care to share that information? I was not accusing but I did have a list of questions that have not been addressed.
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dan felice
Jan 23, 2006 05:37 PM
bill, i know what a cross looks like because i see them posted everywhere. & i do not know anyone that is crossing these subs. my longtime breeders are shown together in the gallery, 2nd from the bottom in the middle pic.....
Sighthunter
Jan 23, 2006 05:41 PM
I am happy with my hatchling unicolor. I have no doubt the tail will turn golden yellow with age. Where the seed of doubt was planted in my mind when Simias on the forum with the LA museum told me his hatchling unicolor was born with a yellow tail not black like mine. I did some independent research and called everyone with or that had unicolor Carl Gossit and the like. So the source as I put it is credible and told me that brown tails crossed with uni produced unicolored animals. I was also told this person no longer breeds unicolor. Now I find myself doubting the purity of my own animals as I have more than one. The only animal I have history on is my wild import.
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Sighthunter
Jan 23, 2006 05:39 PM
I am happy with my hatchling unicolor. I have no doubt the tail will turn golden yellow with age. Where the seed of doubt was planted in my mind when Simias on the forum with the LA museum told me his hatchling unicolor was born with a yellow tail not black like mine. I did some independent research and called everyone with or that had unicolor I went down the list on Indigo.com. So the source as I put it is credible and told me that brown tails crossed with uni produced unicolored animals. I was also told this person no longer breeds unicolor. Now I find myself doubting the purity of my own animals as I have more than one. The only animal I have history on is my wild import.
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Sighthunter
Jan 23, 2006 05:54 PM
Is there any locality data or origin history on any of the adult breeders floating around out there?
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dan felice
Jan 23, 2006 06:01 PM
none that i know of bill, the people i got mine from didn't even know what they had really much less where they came from......
Sighthunter
Jan 23, 2006 06:19 PM
Thank you for the reply.
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dan felice
Jan 23, 2006 06:49 PM
i should add that my original breeders are wc imports, not somebody else's offspring......
Dryguy
Jan 24, 2006 10:40 AM
produces the cleanest Uni's I've seen...I'm sure there are others..If Don Bordner ever gets a big enough girl to go with Max, he's going to produce some knock-outs too..
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Carl W Gossett
Garage Door Herps
Monument,Colorado...northern territory of the Great Republic of Texas 
Sighthunter
Jan 24, 2006 11:38 AM
Yes I would agree. I can't wait for Max the uni to produce. Lets find him a mate!
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dan felice
Jan 24, 2006 04:54 PM
thanks dryguy, i blush w/ pride! & wait till you see the '07 crop, other than the slash & the mascara, there won't be a speck of black on them, 100% butter! killer i tell you, killer.........
Sighthunter
Jan 24, 2006 06:07 PM
Dan, you seem to be either the only producer of unicolor or one of very few. Are any of the offspring ever born without a black tail? The one I got from you is turning out very nice but still has a bit of brown left not much. Did you get your hands on some new blood? Your old breeders look very nice....Bill
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bthacker
Jan 24, 2006 06:53 PM
I have some nice Uni's that Dan produced that I wll snap a few photos of tonight and post at the top of the forum. The male just shed and the female is in blue right now. Tough little boogers to get a good shot of....always on the move.
Sighthunter
Jan 24, 2006 07:09 PM
I will do the same........Bill
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Sighthunter
Jan 24, 2006 07:27 PM
This is the one he sent me this is how it looks now I just took the pic. It has shed four times.
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Sighthunter
Jan 24, 2006 07:32 PM
My apology mine was made by Steve Fuller
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dan felice
Jan 25, 2006 05:49 AM
bill, i have found that all baby uni's are not created equal. i have a pic here somewhere of 14 hatchlings writhing all over each other showing this trait. some start out w/ a more yellow body than others but they usually always have a smokey tail as neonates. this disappears shed by shed as even the entire animal slowly lightens overall well into adulthood. it seems to me, the bigger they get, the 'yellower' they become. i still to this day do a double-take when my main male graces us w/ an appearance. he is just breathtaking to behold & i never get tired of looking at him.......
Sighthunter
Jan 25, 2006 12:45 PM
I guess the most frustrating for me is not having any locality data on the breeding stock. In my thinking (my thinking) if it was born unicolored that would be the ones I would be after. Have you ever had one born clean. Has it happened or is it even possable?
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dan felice
Jan 25, 2006 02:26 PM
they vary a bit but usually there is some tail smoke. that particular animal you're showing is top of the class & i wonder what he looked like as a hatchling.......
epidemic
Jan 27, 2006 09:39 AM
Not sure that you recall the 1.0 D. m unicolor I acquired from you a few years ago, but he had the lightest tail I have ever seen on a neonate uni, simply no dark posterior coloration to be found...
Best regards,
Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947
dan felice
Jan 27, 2006 03:39 PM
actually i don't recall jeff but like i told bill, all uni's are not created equal. you're in for the 07 'butterball express'. killer i tell ya!.......
epidemic
Jan 27, 2006 04:01 PM
I suppose I could send him back to you, on breeding loan, if he was supposed to have been a hold back for the '07 project you are working towards. ;0)
Now you've made me wish time would fly and I have just reached an age where it really doesn't need to!
Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947
