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I know there are lots of Locality Keepers and Breeders out there, ALL I am asking is just your opinion....Thats it, I am just curious what you all think of this boa, I recently purchased this boa...named Enigma, since we don't really know the locality in which to call him. I was curious if anyone has seen a simular boa of a locality that resembles this one. After I hear some feedback I will say what he was originally sold to me as. Have any of you seen any Central Americans locals that look simular? I know they Vary alot...but Just curious what you locality keepers and breeders think. Thanks to all who give there opinions...This is just for fun, I won't take anything personally, He is just a beautiful boa, and I was going to gather some opinions.

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Looks to me to have Costa Rican influence, and/or maybe a bit of panamanian influence, but I couldn't say that it looks 100%...

Just my $.02
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

This one is a mystery, Its been interesting hearing what people think of him. Thanks for your imput...He was originally sold to me as a CanCun Mexican Boa, but after not being with me for years, and recently getting him back, and searching CanCuns out a little more, We are just calling him ENIGMA...So I guess we will just keep our eyes open for a nice simular female to breed him with and just call the babies High Contrast Central American BCI...what else can we do...Thanks for you opinions...
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didn't think Cancun, then again i've only ever seen one or two non-hypo cancuns... all others i've seen are hypo.

If I were you, I would send the pic to Gus Rentfro/Rio Bravo Reptiles, and to Mike Weitzman/Basically Boas, andby the time they answer you, I believe you will know with 99% certainty.

A few others I can think of that may be able to shed some light...

Jim Hoppy Hopkins
Ben Siegel
Greg Riso
Christopher Gilbert

Thanks, Joe
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

I have already shown a half a dozen CanCun Breeders the pics, and they all seem to think...NOT CANCUN...I keep hearing Costa Rican Mix...Who knows...I am going to try and get some better pics, that show his color more. We oringinally wanted to get him a mate, but if everyone doesn't think he is CanCun, then I don't want to breed him to a cancun, and produce mixed babies....Just don't know what to breed him too...Most likley we wont breed him....I wanted to breed him to a co-dom morph, maybe nice Super hypo, but my wife is dead against that idea...Ohh well...
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persons I mentioned have also worked with Costa Rican boas, which is why I suggested them...
I'm leaning overall towards mostly costa rican ..

take care, Joe
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

Although I now know what he was sold to you as, I had taken a guess before I knew, just from the pictures.

It is a tough one, and I am not 100% certain. I will say I immediatly (sp?) though Mexican BCI.

He has a LOT of characteristics similar to some of the Mexican, Mexican X Colombian, and Leopard Hets I have seen. The color and contrast is close to some populations of Costa Rican though.

My CR are Western, and are totally different, but your boa shows the contrast that I have noticed on Central Costa Ricans. His Pattern however tells me he is Mexican.

Since there have not been many Costa Ricans in culture until recently, and even less Panamanians, I would assume Mexican.
Simply through knowledge of what does and does not exist in the U.S., and through similarities in known animals a label of Mexican locality I think is the best.
I would also say to contact Mike and Gus. You may want to give Hans a try and see what he thinks. I have some pictures of Mexicans he sent me (not related to his Leopards) that look very similar. I don't want to post them without his permission though.

Take care,
Chris

I have contacted the people you mentioned, one mentioned Venzuelan, but who knows...he is really a mystery. THanks for the opinion, we where bummed that we couldn't nail down a locale, since we wanted to get him a mate, he is a beautiful boa. Here are some new pics that show his color, he is very Orange, and as a baby he was even more orange...






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I am not sure about Venezuelan, although the only Venezuelan BCI I have seen are pictures of Gus'.
Again, due to the scarcity of Venezuelan BCI, like Panamanians, and Costa Ricans I would lean away from those locales.

Your boa does look like a cross, too many conflicting characteristics. If you allready talked to Gus, I would trust his opinion most.

By your new pictures I am still held firm, the pattern is most like many Mexican boas I have seen, and strongly like the Hets/normals from Hans' Leopard group. And the color is so much like Costa Ricans. I can not compare your boa with my CR due to their known locale, but from the variety I have seen in many CR the similarities are to strong to ignore.

It is definately an interesting predicament.

Jim Peters and Dennis Sargent

Jim's been working with them, and Dennis might too.. they shared a table at daytona last year, and I think the year before as well.

later -Joe
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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin