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Richard F Hoyer

SunHillNursery Jul 25, 2003 03:36 PM

I measured the snake by letting it crawl through a 2foot section of 1/2" PVC pipe that had been cut in half lengthwise to form a trough.The Boa was straight as an arrow and accurately measured at 8-5/8".

This snake was found near Priest River Id(5 mi. east of Newport WA.) at about 2600 ft. Exposed rocks,acidic soil in area,spring runs nearby,cedars,cottonwood,birch trees throughout.. obtained at 19:30 laying outstretched on a course gravel road after a daytime high temp of 90deg.

medium brown with yellow orange ventrals.

Much grattitude,
Rick

"Rick:
Not certain how you determined the boa's 8 5/8" length. But even if I were to obtain a somewhat longer length--say 9 1/4 - 9 1/2", your specimens is small for a newborn boa of last year (which it most likely is) that is now 10 months old.
Can you tell me the approximate area, habitat type, and elevation where your specimens was found? "

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RichardFHoyer Jul 25, 2003 05:16 PM

Rick:
Thanks for the input about where the specimen was found. Quite a few years ago I found a number of boas in NE Wash. 30 - 40 miles north of Spokane just west of that area in Idaho.

At 8 5/8" in the manner you obtained the total length of your specimen, my technique of stretching specimens would put the specimen closer to 9 5/8" to perhaps 10". As and example, when I used your method of obtaining a length for a boa born last year, it measured 8", perhaps 8 1/8" but when I used my stretching method, it is 9 1/4" in total length.

Back in the mid to late 1960's, I combed the scientific literature dealing with the techniques used to obtain lengths of small snakes. None produced a reliable and repeatable method for obtaining maximum lengths. I then devised my own technique which is very reliable and reproducable.

As and another example, my son measured a number of boas in Utah last year. I then visited him to examine all of those specimens. He uses my method which I did not know at the time. I just assumed that the total lengths he had obtained for each specimens would be lower than what I would obtain. There were something like 8-9 boas I examined. I can recall being astonished that our measurements were exactly the same with perhaps one being an 1/8 inch off. I know of no other method that produced that kind of reliability.

In fact, it was on the basis of this technique that I discovered that with a substantial loss in weigh, these snakes shrink in total length. I reported this point in one of my publications but I would bet that most individuals in the scientific community would either be skeptical or outright reject that notion--as I did at first. But this phenomenon has occurred so frequently with both recaptured and captive specimens it is no longer a matter of mismeasuring specimens or a figment of the imagination. I would not be surprised that this situation occurs in other species as well.

Richard F. Hoyer

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