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chameleon questions

spiderchick Jan 24, 2006 12:46 PM

Hi chameleon experts. I work at a science museum in Ohio. I'm sort of the weird animal keeper. Anyway, I just got my first veiled chameleon and I want to make sure I'm doing everything right. We also have a traveling exhibit called Reptiles: Go Wild coming soon, so I want to make sure we're presenting the correct information. So I'll list all my questions and if anyone would like to answer a few, or all, you can post it here or email me: tweaver@mail.cosi.org Thank you so much in advance for any help you can give me. Here goes:

What does the term "true chameleon" refer to? I've heard it used many times but can never figure out exactly what it means.

How and why do chameleons change colors? There's been much debate about this in our office, mostly because everyone is researching in different places and getting differing information, and partly because we're educators and not scientists and don't understand a lot of it.

How much and how often should I be dusting my crickets? Is there a certain brand or mix that's better?

What is the optimum temperature for a veiled's basking spot?

And how fast do veiled's grow?

Replies (8)

chaco Jan 25, 2006 08:24 AM

Hi, this is not by any means a scientific explanations of Chameleons, I'm just spouting this out.

What does the term "true chameleon" refer to? I've heard it used many times but can never figure out exactly what it means.

In the 1950s, 60s and into the 1970s common Anoles found in the southern United States we're sold at fairs, pet shops, circuses and carnivals as pets. They had a collar attached to them and could be attached to your shirt. Because they could change color, they came to be incorrectly called Chameleons. "True Chameleons" however refer to the group of old world animals hailing from Africa, Europe, and the middle east that all share some physical capabilities that make them some of the most unique animals in the world. They have prehensile tails like monkeys and lemurs. The tails are used like another appendage in order to hang from tree branches, ... . They are able to "shoot" their tongues to capture prey. They have large pivoting eyes that operate independly from each other. They have "Zygotic" feet that are used like hands to cling to branches. The feet have 2 toes on one side and three toes on the other side. The back feet are reversed from the front feet in regard to which side the three toes are on. There may be other physical attributes that seperate Chameleons from other animals animals, I don't know.

How and why do chameleons change colors? There's been much debate about this in our office, mostly because everyone is researching in different places and getting differing information, and partly because we're educators and not scientists and don't understand a lot of it.

"Chameleons change color to match their background." This statement is one of the biggest myths regarding Chameleons. Chameleons change color accord to their mood. By moving different pigments to different parts of their bodies, the skin changes different colors. Chameleons change color when they are trying to attract a mate, when they are angry, or when they are frightened.

How much and how often should I be dusting my crickets? Is there a certain brand or mix that's better?

There are some dusting powders that are intended to be used everyday. However, if the product does not specifically state that it is intended for everyday use, then everyday is way too often. I use Repcal Phosphurus free Calcium with vitamin D for dusting. I dust twice a week with this. Once a week, I add a vitamin product also. This is Repcal Herptivite.

What is the optimum temperature for a veiled's basking spot?

Veiled prefer a hot basking spot of 85 to 88 degrees. The heat light should not measure more than 100 degrees right next to the light.

And how fast do veiled's grow?

Veileds are like people, they come in all sizes and grow at different rates.

Watch your e-mail for a Veiled Chameleon Care Sheet.

lele Jan 25, 2006 06:41 PM

Hi and welcome! Great that you are looking for correct info not only for your own cham, but to pass along to the public - LOTS of incorrect info out there! Do you have 'T's? Just wondering b/c of you username - have I seen you on other forums? Name sounds familiar...

OK, your questions - chaco pretty much answered them but I would like to add and learn a bit more about your cham.

Color change: see the link below for an article all about it. While you are there, check out the other issues and article on the site - it is one of the best, most reliable and a new issue comes out every few months w/current info, tips, etc.

Dusting:
How old is your cham? Male or female? Your dusting regimen will change with growth. While s/he is growing, dusting every other feeding (3-4x/week) is good. The reason for this is due to the fast growth during their juvi and sub-adult stages and the calcium is used quickly and if not present bone disease (MBD- Metabolic Bone Disease) can occur. After sexual maturity, once/week is good and multi vitamin 1x/month. I use the same brand as chaco (Rep-Cal). This brand and Miner-al are the two most recommended. If you have a female, she can develop infertile clutches as early as 6 months and her calcium needs will change.

Along with dusting it is very important to gutload your feeder insects. www.adcham.com has a good dry and wet gutload recipe. If you need more inof on this just ask and I'll post some other sites and resources. Also offer a variety of insects: roaches, silkworms, etc.

Growth: they grow up quickly. Usually you will not have a cham under 3 months min. in age. it is recommended that breeders do not sell them before this age, though all too many do. If you got yours at 3 or 4 months enjoy it while you can! My about 6 months they reach sexual maturity and their personality may change considerably - hormones

For lots of other info go to the link in my signature for sites to the best info, vets, and setup questions. Look over those questions and if you are unsure of any or were not initially told pleas ask.

Does he have a name yet? Do we get to see pics

lele
Cham Color Change

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Chameleon Help & Resource Info

0.1 Veiled Chameleon - Luna. She's now hanging from her big jungle gym in the sky
1.0 Beardie - Darwin
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Lita
0.1 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.1 Mad. Hissers and she is on the loose!
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula - Rosa Leigh
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha
?.? Pinktoe Tarantula - no name yet

kinyonga Jan 26, 2006 04:29 PM

You were already given the answer to what "true chameleons" usually refers to, to basking spot temps. and to how fast they grow.

For color, I think you were referring to this...
http://www.chameleonnews.com/colormechanism.html

As for dusting/supplementing, there are many products out there...some are better than others. For years now I have used Rep-cal calcium and calcium with D3 and their vitamin powder too and have had my veiled chameleons live to ripe old ages with very few health issues. Of course, that also has also to do with the husbandry and gutloading the insects IMHO.

For babies up to about 5 months of age, I dust all the insects with calcium at almost every feeding and I dust with calcium/D3 two or three times a month.I dust with vitamins two or three times a month for babies too. By the time they are adults, I dust with calcium once a week and twice a month with vitamins and twice a month with calcium/D3. I live in a northerly climate, being that you are in Ohio your dusting regime would be the same as mine since I live in a climate where my chameleons get little direct sunlight. People who can have their chameleons outside all the time would need to vary the supplementation.

I gutload my insects well for all ages.

I assume you know that veileds become omnivores when they are about 5 or 6 months old?

Hope this helps!

kinyonga Jan 26, 2006 04:37 PM

Sorry...I forgot to add these sites that might be of interest...

http://www.chameleonjournals.com/vet/
http://adcham.com/
http://www.chameleonnews.com/index.html

Check out the vet articles in the above.

lele Jan 26, 2006 04:47 PM

k - an easier way to give out all those sites is to send them to the Chameleon Help & Resources sticky at the top of the forum, also listed under articles in the header. All the most recommended sites, vet links and setup questions are all in one place. Just in case you weren't aware this was available.

lele
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Chameleon Help & Resource Info

0.1 Veiled Chameleon - Luna. She's now hanging from her big jungle gym in the sky
1.0 Beardie - Darwin
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Lita
0.1 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.1 Mad. Hissers and she is on the loose!
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula - Rosa Leigh
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha
?.? Pinktoe Tarantula - no name yet

kinyonga Jan 27, 2006 11:57 AM

I'm aware of the information in the stickys...but I don't know how to post there.

lele Jan 28, 2006 06:25 PM

We can't, only moderators can. But what I meant was to link (or just tell) the poster that it is there. Carlton and I listed all the good cham links and other stuff in that article. I stuck it in signature for easy access
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Chameleon Help & Resource Info

0.1 Veiled Chameleon - Luna. She's now hanging from her big jungle gym in the sky
1.0 Beardie - Darwin
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Lita
0.1 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.1 Mad. Hissers and she is on the loose!
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula - Rosa Leigh
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha
?.? Pinktoe Tarantula - no name yet

spiderchick Jan 27, 2006 11:01 AM

Wow, thank you guys so much for the information. It really helps. I also got to talk to the reptile handler of the exhibit that just came to our museum. That was so cool, I got to go behind all the cages and see the animals. Their veiled is a little jerk, too. He lunged at us and hissed when we opened his cage. Still a little stressed from the plane ride, I think. To answer some of your questions:

Lele, I have been on other forums, your name sounds familiar, too. And I do have t's, that's probably the forums you've seen me on. I had a rose hair named Alice (as in Cooper, not in Wonderland) but he got stuck in a molt a couple years ago. Now I have a red knee named Charlotte (I work at a children's museum, what can I say) and a pink toe named Gypsy. (because she looks like she stole someone else's shoes.)
My cham's name is Earl, he's a little over two months old, which I see is a little young for sale. I dusted his crickets yesterday, but he didn't seem too interested. I think he ate about 4, rather than his usual ravenous 10 or so. Oh, but get this, the reptile handler that travels with the exhibit that's here says that they buy the generic calcium (like Centrum) pills and grind them up for cricket dust! I got the good stuff at the pet store anyway. Nothing but the best for my Earl. Anyway, I'll email you some pictures if you want, let me know. He's so cute!

Chaco, thank you so much for emailing the care sheet. Huge help!
Kinyonga, thanks for all the links, too. You guys rock!

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