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In the book Texas Snakes:Identification,Distribution & Natural History by John E. Werler & James R. Dixon on page 19 is a picture of an adult piebald atrox from Bosque County,Texas. Untill I saw this picture I never knew of any other snake to be pied except ball pythons. My question is what would a snake like that be worth and for that matter does anyone know of this animal and why its is not being bred? Or is it? With such morphs as patternless and caramels out there it just seems to me that someone would be trying to breed this and make its debut into the hobby.

Someone was breeding both normal and piebald mussurranas (sp?) I guess it depends on the look of the piebald. Balls are rather dramatic, but I think other animals exist. I think the most recoqniseable animals is horses.

Waiting for a piebald elephant....
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I know Jerry Conway has a piebald "candoia c. paulsoni" not venomous but still a cool snake. Just has not proven it to be genetic yet.
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Piebald-ism, just like albinism and hypomelanism, is probably a trait that many snakes carry, it just hasn't come to the surface yet.

A while back, someone posted a pic of a pied red diamond rattlesnake, Crotalus ruber. Pretty cool looking animal.

I like the ball python guys who keep refering to a piebald ball python as a piedball. Some of them need an IQ injection....
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
1.1 Woma (Juvie female)
2.1 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.0 Angolan Juvie
1.1 Savu
1.1 Juvie Bloods
1.1 Juvie Balls
1.1 IJ Carpets
1.1 Coastal Carpets
1.2 Macklotts
1.1 Papuan Olives
1.0 Jungle Carpet
2.2 Scrubs (on breeding loan)
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

explain...

explain?
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
1.1 Woma (Juvie female)
2.1 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.0 Angolan Juvie
1.1 Savu
1.1 Juvie Bloods
1.1 Juvie Balls
1.1 IJ Carpets
1.1 Coastal Carpets
1.2 Macklotts
1.1 Papuan Olives
1.0 Jungle Carpet
2.2 Scrubs (on breeding loan)
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

..if I'm getting this, one could have a pied ball python and call it that; or could call it a piebald ball python, but to refer to that animal as a "piedball" is to invent a word: a neologisim, I think...

It's worse than that. Pieball is the term many use, or piedball. I guess because they don't know that there is a word...piebald...or what it is. Isn't an Appaloosa a piebald?
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
1.1 Woma (Juvie female)
2.1 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.0 Angolan Juvie
1.1 Savu
1.1 Juvie Bloods
1.1 Juvie Balls
1.1 IJ Carpets
1.1 Coastal Carpets
1.2 Macklotts
1.1 Papuan Olives
1.0 Jungle Carpet
2.2 Scrubs (on breeding loan)
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

Youre right. An animal that is pied can also be correctly referred to as piebald. If the ball python guys are knowingly using a new word, pieball, well that's kinda clever. I would guess though, it's their error. Some of those "pieballs" are pretty striking regardless....

I wonder if Michael Jackson would be considered piebald...
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
1.1 Woma (Juvie female)
2.1 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.0 Angolan Juvie
1.1 Savu
1.1 Juvie Bloods
1.1 Juvie Balls
1.1 IJ Carpets
1.1 Coastal Carpets
1.2 Macklotts
1.1 Papuan Olives
1.0 Jungle Carpet
2.2 Scrubs (on breeding loan)
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

nahhh-i would say he's damn near leucistic,or better yet,'vanishing pattern'...lol

LOL. You guys are too much!

I think you're maybe being a bit too picky here (and maybe missing a word break). A lot of people use the term "pied" as short for "piebald" and most "ball python" keepers just call them "balls". So to refer to a "piebald ball python" as a "pied ball" sounds perfectly reasonable to me, in context.

(Technically, "pied" and "piebald" are valid, synonymous english words except that "piebald" is more commonly used to describe animals in a formal context. Ever wonder what the heck a "pied piper" was?)

There was a shot of a piebald ruber on this board before, and there are also piebald persian rat snakes. There was another pied snake I read about, I don't think it ever got proven though. Only a few scales were pied on that one.
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It's just like the story of the grasshopper and the octopus. All year long the grasshopper stored up acorns for winter, while the octopus mooched off his girlfriend and watched tv. And then the winter came, and the grasshopper died, and the octopus stole all his acorns, and he got a race car. Is any of this sinking in?